road rule changes 2022

Trifid said:
Those in lycra on country lanes are not typically replacing a car journey with cycling. The challenge the government has is getting people to move from cars to bikes in towns and cities*. You are not averaging much different from a bike here anyway, certainly I'm not in my car where I live (my car average speed on tanks when I haven't left the city is well below 20mph with low 20mpg's. My cycling average speed is not far from 20.)

*Tbh I think they will have as much a challenge to convince those who cycle for sport as those who haven't ridden a bike since getting their first car.
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There's a dam near me, would be a nice hour cycling from the town to it yet if you go down in the car to walk around the waters you can rarely find a parking space because they're all full with cars sporting cycle carriers.


SexyGreyFox said:
For Gods sake do your homework, Road Tax was abolished in 1937, nobody you know has ever paid an imaginary Road Tax.
However back in 2015 Ex Chancellor George Osbourne announced it may be time to go back to a Road Tax where everybody that uses the road pays for it but it hasn't happened yet - https://citymonitor.ai/politics/his...rne-has-just-told-drivers-they-own-roads-1212
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"For Gods sake do your homework".

Road tax is a common colloquialism for VED. Only pedants argue the whole non-existance & mention 1937.

Personally, and probably the only time, I agree with GO in a way. My stance is that everyone currently uses, in some way and pays for the road via general taxation. Not everyone uses cycling infrastructure, not everyone is able, yet these are still paid for by everyone. Maybe there should be a tax for cyclists to pay for this infrastucture. Maybe they could kill 2 birds with one stone and have a similar system to cars in the US where yearly tax is paid by purchasing an identity plate as I firmly believe ANY vehicle, no matter it's propulsion method, should be easily identifiable.
 
Resident said:
There's a dam near me, would be a nice hour cycling from the town to it yet if you go down in the car to walk around the waters you can rarely find a parking space because they're all full with cars sporting cycle carriers.
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So a two hour round trip not including the time spent at the dam itself. Considering the stamina of the general population that would be a difficult journey. Also they would most likely need to carry energy gels to complete this.
 
squerble said:
What's it called then? Because the Gov website calls it tax https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax
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You've just answered your own question - Vehicle Tax :)

and here's a search for non existent Road Tax on the Govt site, nothing - https://www.gov.uk/search/all?keywords=road+tax&order=relevance

Resident said:
Road tax is a common colloquialism for VED. Only pedants argue the whole non-existance & mention 1937.
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and we only argue because it seems to be the one thing that the ill educated argue about but you don't see them having a go at electric vehicle owners or people who pay way less vehicle tax than them.
I have two cars, I KNOW EXACTLY what I pay for and it isn't the roads (although since VED goes into the main Govt pot some may go to the roads and other stuff I never use like schools).
 
Resident said:
Road tax is a common colloquialism for VED. Only pedants argue the whole non-existance & mention 1937.

Personally, and probably the only time, I agree with GO in a way. My stance is that everyone currently uses, in some way and pays for the road via general taxation. Not everyone uses cycling infrastructure, not everyone is able, yet these are still paid for by everyone. Maybe there should be a tax for cyclists to pay for this infrastucture. Maybe they could kill 2 birds with one stone and have a similar system to cars in the US where yearly tax is paid by purchasing an identity plate as I firmly believe ANY vehicle, no matter it's propulsion method, should be easily identifiable.
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That Road Tax argument you make is completely false. The Road Tax argument thrown at cyclists is that drivers feel more entitled to use the roads because they believe they pay road tax which is of course nonsense. They pay VED which is based on emissions and which BEVs for example pay nothing as do bicycles because they have no emissions, therefore its an argument based on a lack of understanding and not pedantry. Even if we held their point, I pay nearly £500 a year VED so should those that pay less get out of my way if entitlement is based on how much you pay?

Your stance on paying for cycling infrastructure doesnt make sense either. You acknowledge everyone that uses roads pays for it via general taxation, so what about those people that dont drive and use the train? Not everyone uses the roads, they would have paid their taxes and and subsidised the roads you use, what do they get out of it? Also, you would potentially price kids out of being able to ride bicycles
 
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Trifid said:
Bicycles emit 0g/km and cost less then £40k so their VED rate will be £0. Feel free to petition the government to create the administrative burden of managing VED on bicycles for the zero rate due.
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Surely the user puts out CO2 (more than a driver as they are exerting themselves. Can opened charge road tax on cyclists:cry:.
 
theone8181 said:
Surely the user puts out CO2 (more than a driver as they are exerting themselves. Can opened charge road tax on cyclists:cry:.
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Will you have to do a yearly health check to see how fit you are as the fitter you are, the less effort and therefore less CO2 you would emit compared to an unfit person?
 
theone8181 said:
Surely the user puts out CO2 (more than a driver as they are exerting themselves. Can opened charge road tax on cyclists:cry:.
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eBike user, I put zero effort in and being electric I'm exempt :)

However I linked where ex Chancellor George Osbourne has talked about bringing back a Road Tax basically because in a few years time 75% of motorists will be exempt.
 
Resident said:
There's a dam near me, would be a nice hour cycling from the town to it yet if you go down in the car to walk around the waters you can rarely find a parking space because they're all full with cars sporting cycle carriers.




"For Gods sake do your homework".

Road tax is a common colloquialism for VED. Only pedants argue the whole non-existance & mention 1937.

Personally, and probably the only time, I agree with GO in a way. My stance is that everyone currently uses, in some way and pays for the road via general taxation. Not everyone uses cycling infrastructure, not everyone is able, yet these are still paid for by everyone. Maybe there should be a tax for cyclists to pay for this infrastucture. Maybe they could kill 2 birds with one stone and have a similar system to cars in the US where yearly tax is paid by purchasing an identity plate as I firmly believe ANY vehicle, no matter it's propulsion method, should be easily identifiable.
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Yeah staple license plates onto horses.
What a load of rubbish, not everyone uses all sorts of services it's about averaging it out.
 
robj20 said:
Yeah staple license plates onto horses.
What a load of rubbish, not everyone uses all sorts of services it's about averaging it out.
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Works for me

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In fact we can make it so it also takes in the 1.5 metre distance

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Chuk_Chuk said:
Just to add to this, for new cars I believe this has changed to a flat rate that is bumped up if the car is worth more than £40,000 new.
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You pay £335 extra on top of your cars standard rate if Im not mistaken, so not a flat rate or have they fixed the standard rate?

Edit: Went to read what the rules are for new cars as Im not covered by them. It looks like the first years is related to CO2 but after that, you switch over to a flat £155 a year unless you have a Hybrid which you get a £10 discount and pay an extra £335 a year if its over £40k. Geez
 
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Trifid said:
Those in lycra on country lanes are not typically replacing a car journey with cycling. The challenge the government has is getting people to move from cars to bikes in towns and cities*. You are not averaging much different from a bike here anyway, certainly I'm not in my car where I live (my car average speed on tanks when I haven't left the city is well below 20mph with low 20mpg's. My cycling average speed is not far from 20.)

*Tbh I think they will have as much a challenge to convince those who cycle for sport as those who haven't ridden a bike since getting their first car.
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Mid lock down I had to head into Norwich because one of the banks we use is backwards and can't deal with cheques digitally. Anyway, I did the 15 mile round trip on my bike, something I would never normally do, and without the car gridlock it was bliss. So much so that I rode across the city adding a few more miles to a less busy branch to avoid queueing. I didn't even wear any lycra...

Point is that is something I would happily do regularly if I wasn't battling against traffic all the time.
 
lordrobs said:
Mid lock down I had to head into Norwich because one of the banks we use is backwards and can't deal with cheques digitally. Anyway, I did the 15 mile round trip on my bike, something I would never normally do, and without the car gridlock it was bliss. So much so that I rode across the city adding a few more miles to a less busy branch to avoid queueing. I didn't even wear any lycra...

Point is that is something I would happily do regularly if I wasn't battling against traffic all the time.
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Sadly doesn't seem either the "money" or will for widespread infrastructure innovation so as to facilitate more people using bikes in a safer and more convenient fashion - instead the councils like to funnel millions into extensive road layout changes - making perfectly serviceable roundabouts into complex light controlled junctions, light controlled junctions into complex roundabouts, etc. etc. :(
 
lordrobs said:
Mid lock down I had to head into Norwich because one of the banks we use is backwards and can't deal with cheques digitally. Anyway, I did the 15 mile round trip on my bike, something I would never normally do, and without the car gridlock it was bliss. So much so that I rode across the city adding a few more miles to a less busy branch to avoid queueing. I didn't even wear any lycra...

Point is that is something I would happily do regularly if I wasn't battling against traffic all the time.
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I live on quite a busy road and during lockdown obviously there were literally no cars about but one day I saw a family ride past (mum, dad and two kids who must be less than 10y old) in the sunshine. It was a wonderful thing to see, a family out enjoying a rare cycle ride along the roads in safety, sadly not to be repeated again. Instead I go out at sunrise as its the only time I feel that the roads are empty enough to enjoy riding in relative safety.
 
Bear said:
You pay £335 extra on top of your cars standard rate if Im not mistaken, so not a flat rate or have they fixed the standard rate?

Edit: Went to read what the rules are for new cars as Im not covered by them. It looks like the first years is related to CO2 but after that, you switch over to a flat £155 a year unless you have a Hybrid which you get a £10 discount and pay an extra £335 a year if its over £40k. Geez
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I wasn't aware about the first year thing, then again it is probably wrapped into the O.T.R price of the car, so most people will never "see" it.
A £10 discount :cry: :rolleyes:.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
I wasn't aware about the first year thing, then again it is probably wrapped into the O.T.R price of the car, so most people will never "see" it.
A £10 discount :cry: :rolleyes:.
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Yeah, its wrapped up in the OTR price as you say but can be up to £2245 dependant on CO2, although the £335 wont kick in until the second year if you need to pay it
 
Bear said:
Will you have to do a yearly health check to see how fit you are as the fitter you are, the less effort and therefore less CO2 you would emit compared to an unfit person?
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Would be so funny, we've calculated you as obese so you need to pay 500 a year tax, or drove a car that's free (tax wise):cry:.
 
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