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I know what he's saying though. I know it's easy to be offended by such a statement and quite frankly, I disagree, in that I do consider Liverpool a big club due to their level of support and their trophy legacy.

Apart from that though, in modern times, it can be easy to point the finger at Liverpool fans and suggest some of them are living in the clouds in terms of their expectations.

That said, I've always thought the majority of Liverpool fans are some of the most patient lot in the PL.
 
I'm with Tom on our upcoming Livermule showdown, should be a straightforward win but we seem to be the one club they pull out all the stops for.

By the way, recent Beeb article states that managers are getting sacked more frequently compared to last year, clubs tend to lack long-term plans with them when they're hired, and teams actually tend to do worse after changes in management: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9346616.stm

Food for thought?
 
Pressure won't be lifted of hodgson if we beat united.
Fans know he is tactically inept and no doubt will credit himself completely for the win or blame the players for the lose like he did against Northhampton.
If we have any chance of winning we'd need to knick it late, no chance if we go ahead early and sit in our own box inviting pressure.

Hope Judas doesn't get the winner, would be sickening as he'll probably celebrate
 
Judas being Michael Owen? Hilarious how a Liverpool fan sounds so bitter about a player that rarely gets playing at United. :D
 
I accept I'm bitter about it, going to a rival team, any real respect for the club and he wouldn't go.
Although diouf is 100000x worse, scum of the earth.
Who do you support btw?
 
I can understand that to an extent but as I said, given the fact his career has went down the pan somewhat and he's pretty much a reserve for United. It's not like he's got one over Liverpool or anything.
 
[J.D.C];18164300 said:
I can understand that to an extent but as I said, given the fact his career has went down the pan somewhat and he's pretty much a reserve for United. It's not like he's got one over Liverpool or anything.
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Practically forcing his move to Madrid, but he had the opportunity to perhaps come back to us.
Would have taken him back, I love what he did at the club, his career went down the pan due to himself, perhaps our awful physics helped too.
 
I think the owners indecision over Hodgson is a massive problem for the club. Saying nothing is worse than giving him the sack in terms of stability. It's the middle of a transfer window and they need to either back him with funds or move on. It's time they made a statement that they're committed to him and the club.
 
Looks like Deschamps is ruling himself out of any interest in becoming Liverpool manager...

"But Deschamps has taken steps to distance himself from the Liverpool job, stating his intention to see out his contract and still be Marseille's manager when they leave Stade Velodrome in 2014 to move into a new home.

Asked in France about his position, Deschamps said: 'When I talk about being coach of Marseille in the new stadium, I mean it. It is an idea that pleases me. Now, 2014 is a very long way away in my profession but people should understand I am not a tramp. I proved it last year. I could have left.'"
 
Today's press-conference has now been cancelled and instead Hodgson will just give an interview (regarding the Utd game) with the official site.

More or less confirms he'll be here for the weekend but hopefully a sign that he'll be gone very shortly after.
 
Interesting state of affairs going on at Liverpool, some of the scenes we've seen are jaw dropping with many Liverpool fans seemingly oblivious to the fact that Rafael Benitez raped the Liverpool squad of talent in his time, left, now Hodgson is getting an awful lot of stick for the squad he's inherited.

Liverpool have players who wouldn't get in a lot of other Premiership teams let alone sides with European aspirations. The likes of Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Johnson, Poulsen (A Hodgson signing in fairness), Ngog, Lucas are not great players, Maxi looks past his best, Gerrard doesn't look his old self and Torres looks like he just can't be bothered, but should he be back (and not have done an Owen), it leaves Gerrard, Torres and Reina as the clubs only really quality players.

Hodgson is not a bad manager. Perhaps the acquisition of him as boss was a rushed one, but you don't become a bad manager over a matter of months, but he doesn't have the players good enough to be competing at the top, Benitez made sure of that.

Talking of bad managers, I couldn't help but laugh at the signs asking for Benitez to return. Is there no shortage of ignorance amongst some fans? This is a guy who went to last seasons Italian treble winners, unheard of, who only lost one player, a bench player no less in Balotelli and proceeded to get sacked after 6 months for dropping the club out of a European place. If fans want him back after what he did at Liverpool (selling off the best players, over paying on rubbish, taking a massive pay off instead of quitting and proving he's poor at the best club in Europe) then they're welcome to him.
 
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Interesting state of affairs going on at Liverpool, some of the scenes we've seen are jaw dropping with many Liverpool fans seemingly oblivious to the fact that Rafael Benitez raped the Liverpool squad of talent in his time, left, now Hodgson is getting an awful lot of stick for the squad he's inherited.

Liverpool have players who wouldn't get in a lot of other Premiership teams let alone sides with European aspirations. The likes of Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Johnson, Poulsen (A Hodgson signing in fairness), Ngog, Lucas are not great players, Maxi looks past his best, Gerrard doesn't look his old self and Torres looks like he just can't be bothered, but should he be back (and not have done an Owen), it leaves Gerrard, Torres and Reina as the clubs only really quality players.

Hodgson is not a bad manager. Perhaps the acquisition of him as boss was a rushed one, but you don't become a bad manager over a matter of months, but he doesn't have the players good enough to be competing at the top, Benitez made sure of that.

Talking of bad managers, I couldn't help but laugh at the signs asking for Benitez to return?
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The best way to respond to this.....
Is there no shortage of ignorance amongst some fans?
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Inter Milan were NOT the Best Club in Europe when he took over - winning the Champions League isn't a barometer of this - it's a knockout club competition - see Liverpool in 2005 (incidentally managed at the time by Benitez).
 
Stretch said:
I think the owners indecision over Hodgson is a massive problem for the club. Saying nothing is worse than giving him the sack in terms of stability. It's the middle of a transfer window and they need to either back him with funds or move on. It's time they made a statement that they're committed to him and the club.
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Couldn't agree more. I'm worried that NESV will leave things as they are until the summer and that could cost us our Premier League status if things continue as they are. The quality of football we're playing is an absolute embarassment and does nothing to help the players.

As for those comments BaZ, ignorance doesn't come close considering what H&G and Purslow did to the club.
 
NokkonWud said:
Interesting state of affairs going on at Liverpool, some of the scenes we've seen are jaw dropping with many Liverpool fans seemingly oblivious to the fact that Rafael Benitez raped the Liverpool squad of talent in his time, left, now Hodgson is getting an awful lot of stick for the squad he's inherited.

Liverpool have players who wouldn't get in a lot of other Premiership teams let alone sides with European aspirations. The likes of Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Johnson, Poulsen (A Hodgson signing in fairness), Ngog, Lucas are not great players, Maxi looks past his best, Gerrard doesn't look his old self and Torres looks like he just can't be bothered, but should he be back (and not have done an Owen), it leaves Gerrard, Torres and Reina as the clubs only really quality players.

Hodgson is not a bad manager. Perhaps the acquisition of him as boss was a rushed one, but you don't become a bad manager over a matter of months, but he doesn't have the players good enough to be competing at the top, Benitez made sure of that.

Talking of bad managers, I couldn't help but laugh at the signs asking for Benitez to return. Is there no shortage of ignorance amongst some fans? This is a guy who went to last seasons Italian treble winners, unheard of, who only lost one player, a bench player no less in Balotelli and proceeded to get sacked after 6 months for dropping the club out of a European place. If fans want him back after what he did at Liverpool (selling off the best players, over paying on rubbish, taking a massive pay off instead of quitting and proving he's poor at the best club in Europe) then they're welcome to him.
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Stripped us of talent?

First of all, he brought us to be the second most entertaining and feared side in europe in 08/09 (behind barcelona, argueably could have beaten them since chelsea deserved too).

He left a squad of, Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Mascherano, Agger, Aurellio, Aqualani(setting the italian league alight this season), Kuyt (perhaps woeful at times, big game player no doubt though). And started having his impact on our youth system with martin kelly, dani pachecho, suso, ayala, shelvey.

Bar the youth system, that spine of a team is very good, and certainly capable of challenging a top 4 team. And by the way, Lucas has been our best player this season, not as **** as Sky sports make him out to be.

Hodgson isnt a bad manager? win % at fulham/blackburn/liverpool are all between 33-35%. He was gash at inter milan, granted he won some of the toughest leagues in europe like the danish one.

Now since you wish to be pedantic about our team being stripped of talent.
Rafa won 2 trophies in 6 months at inter milan.
He was managing a team riddled with injuries, Sneidjer, Milito, Motta, Samuel(massive lost since they are a defence minded team), cambiaso only coming back, maicon getting caught out that he is now too old.
Also perhaps that inter team overachieved last year and are completely exhausted after a world cup?
Maureen did well against barca with a 300million team didnt he?

Rafael Benitez is in no way a perfect manager, but he is a world class manager. He was not allowed to finish building what he wished at liverpool, he was buying players as substitutes to the ones he wanted. We bought Jermaine Pennant because we didn't have funds for Dani Alves(as a right winger not right back i believe) nor Florent Malouda.

Sounds like you just listen to british media as does everyone, the ones who back England to win the world cup (granted completely cheated out of it against Germany.)
Nevermind the whole pile of **** that went on behind the scenes with Christian Purslow making our signings and removing Rafael Benitez after one subpar year. Amazing how many years that clown has possibly set us back.

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The squad Rafa inherited was far far far far far worse.
Dudek (godlike in istanbul, but very inconsistent), Djimi Traore, Smicer, Baros, injury prone Kewell, Diouf, Cisse, Igor Biscan, Josemi, and finnan was pretty meh.

I know which squad id rather inherit.
Only players Rafa received which are worth mentioning were Didi, Sami, Steve, Carra, Riise.
 
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NokkonWud said:
Talking of bad managers, I couldn't help but laugh at the signs asking for Benitez to return. Is there no shortage of ignorance amongst some fans? This is a guy who went to last seasons Italian treble winners, unheard of, who only lost one player, a bench player no less in Balotelli and proceeded to get sacked after 6 months for dropping the club out of a European place. If fans want him back after what he did at Liverpool (selling off the best players, over paying on rubbish, taking a massive pay off instead of quitting and proving he's poor at the best club in Europe) then they're welcome to him.
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I don't want Rafa back but I think your summary is a little unfair.

For 2-3 season he done a very good job a Liverpool. He took a team that wasn't performing much better than we are at the moment and made them a very tough team to play against. He also done something that been extremely rare for a Liverpool manager over the last couple of decades, he made some top class signings and put a buzz back at the club. Initially Reina, Alonso and Garcia all put the team in the right direction and was extremely promising. It was the first time in years that I expected Liverpool to beat teams (even very good team) with ease. And we made the CL every season he was at the club bare the last.

It was towards the end of the 2009 season that he began to lose the plot. He started playing very attacking risky football, selling proven players, making bizarre team selection and substitutions, weird press conferences etc etc. I don't think you can blame all of that on what was happening at the club behind the scenes but the timing is a coincidence to say the least.

The job at Inter was always going to be difficult if not impossible. He couldn’t better Mourinho achievement and that was always going to spell trouble for his successor.

In fact I take it back. Unless another world class manager can be found I would take Rafa over Hodgson any day of the week.
 
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Stretch said:
I think the owners indecision over Hodgson is a massive problem for the club. Saying nothing is worse than giving him the sack in terms of stability. It's the middle of a transfer window and they need to either back him with funds or move on. It's time they made a statement that they're committed to him and the club.
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Pigeon_Killer said:
Couldn't agree more. I'm worried that NESV will leave things as they are until the summer and that could cost us our Premier League status if things continue as they are. The quality of football we're playing is an absolute embarassment and does nothing to help the players.
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Firstly, the transfer window stuff isn't really relevant as Comolli is likely to have the biggest say on who we sign, not Hodgson. So even if Hodgson is here until February, our transfer strategy isn't likely to be any different.

Secondly, you guys really need to show a bit more patience. The owners are not football people nor have we got a CEO who could make the decision so you can't blame them too much for being hesitant.

Obviously the situation with Hodgson has gone beyond the point of return but what good can come from sacking him without even a caretaker lined-up? As mentioned before, the only possible person that could have come in within a matter of days to takeover is Dalglish and he's got business commitments out of the country.

And on the Dalglish subject, while I am all for him coming in until a permanent appointment can be made, there are some risks involved in him taking over. While most sensible fans will acknowledge that Dalglish shouldn't be considered long-term, if he were to do well there would be huge pressure on the owners to give him the job permanent. I can't see that being too much of an issue though as I'm sure Dalglish will accept he's not the right man longterm and distance himself from the job. But a more realistic concern would be if whoever took the job permanent didn't have the best of starts we could be back in a position where supporters chanting Dalglish's name again.
 
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