Roy Hodgson

[cheets64]

Roy Hodgson said it was too big of a job to turn down and it is too big a of a job for him, shame, lets face it he is hardly world class, hes only won stuff in Scandinavia.

He wont get Liverpool relegated, Gerrard wont let his club go down, I bet Liverpool win at the weekend in the FA Cup.

 

[BaZ87]

I presume this is in protest to Liverpool's reluctance to let Hodgson go?

Its more to do with the price of going to a game these days + travel for about 40% of the ground. Its a lot easier to dig deep when you respect the manager and the tactics being employed.

4,000 season ticket holders didn't turn up for the Bolton game. Fans are very much voting with their feet and I'm sure that's the reason why the owners have changed their stance regarding bringing in a caretaker.

 

[Azza]

9/2 for a Liverpool win on Sky Bet cheets.

 

[cm1179]

he'll be gone on monday though i fancy a liverpool win

 

[Tombstone]

I see that Hodgson is still firmly planted as the Liverpool manager.

What is amusing is that a lot of Liverpool fans want to see Liverpool lose badly, in hope that Hodgson will get the boot after such a shocking result. The not-so-amusing side of this is that Hodgson still remains. No matter how badly he loses, the guy will not quit.

I'm always one to allow a manager time to settle and prove his worth, but he has had 5 months and the results are pretty much identical to those he had when he first started. With this in mind, the guy has to go.

I think the best thing that can happen for Liverpool is if they lose horrifically badly when they play Man Utd on Sunday. If this happens, I can't see how the Liverpool board can allow him to manage Liverpool for even another game.

The worst thing that can happen for Liverpool is if he wins against Man Utd. He would argue that beating the current best side in England would justify his position as Manager of LFC.

Sunday's result will be interesting.

I can see what you are saying here, its interesting for me personally because this is the first time in 3 decades where I really dont care what the result is against Man Utd this weekend. Normally I would be pumped up , roaring for a win, but for the first time ever I am utterly apathetic towards the game. I dont know what Utd fans think of the match but for me, as a Liverpool fan, its result is frankly irrelevant to me. I really dont care if we win or lose, just as long as its followed in the week by Hodgson going.

 

[Alpherah]

I can see what you are saying here, its interesting for me personally because this is the first time in 3 decades where I really dont care what the result is against Man Utd this weekend. Normally I would be pumped up , roaring for a win, but for the first time ever I am utterly apathetic towards the game. I dont know what Utd fans think of the match but for me, as a Liverpool fan, its result is frankly irrelevant to me. I really dont care if we win or lose, just as long as its followed in the week by Hodgson going.

^ What ive been trying to say for a while

 

[Tummy]

I can see what you are saying here, its interesting for me personally because this is the first time in 3 decades where I really dont care what the result is against Man Utd this weekend. Normally I would be pumped up , roaring for a win, but for the first time ever I am utterly apathetic towards the game. I dont know what Utd fans think of the match but for me, as a Liverpool fan, its result is frankly irrelevant to me. I really dont care if we win or lose, just as long as its followed in the week by Hodgson going.

/hug.

 

[Tute]

It's a very tough one for me. I love to see Liverpool struggle but i'm just feeling nothing but pity for them now - after all the mess in the summer, it's been a pretty crappy 2010 for the club.

I feel a United win of any flavour would see him handed his P45. However i'd prefer the EPL title and if dropping out of the FAC early meant we won that instead i'd happily hope we lose.

 

[Rameses]

Liverpool are where they belong, Roy is a good manager he's proved that at Fulham last season with little or no money, you guys are living in the 80s and think things can change instantly, its going to take your club a long time to turn around, your new owner has said as much with not making any promises.

Perhaps you should sell Gerrard & Rent Boy for cash to reshape the team!

 

[Tombstone]

Liverpool are where they belong, Roy is a good manager he's proved that at Fulham last season with little or no money, you guys are living in the 80s and think things can change instantly, its going to take your club a long time to turn around, your new owner has said as much with not making any promises.

Perhaps you should sell Gerrard & Rent Boy for cash to reshape the team!

Roy being a "good manager" isn't really the issue, its more a case of whether or not he is the right "good manager" for Liverpool. I'm sure that if you asked many man utd fans if they thought Wenger or alladyce are "good managers" and they may well say yes, then ask if they want them as utd manager and they'll most likely say no. Not every "good manager" is right for every team, the manager has to fit the team, and vice versa. I don't think Roy does that in regard to Liverpool, I always thought he wasn't the right fit and so far it seems I have been borne out in that belief.

I guess it must seem odd to some utd fans too, I mean as much as some of them hate Liverpool , its always nice to have a rivalry and an enemy to banter with, but this weekend that rivalry and banter might even feel empty and worthless to utd fans too, its hard to have banter and rivalry with an opponents fans when those fans really aren't bothered about the result.

 

[drunkenmaster]

You think?
We had bad results last year but the commitment was there, we still controlled games.
We dropped something like 18 points to goals conceded after 85 mins.
Now? Away from home especially, we'r out of the game after 60.

If thats not down to Roy then i dont know what is.

Again look at last years results, before last year you were winning 12-16 games A YEAR away from home, last season you won 5 away from home and 4 of them were in the first half of the season, in the 6 months before Hodgson took over(from Jan 1st till summer) Liverpool won a SINGLE away game.

The away game, lack of control and being utterly awful started a long time ago.

As he said, Hodgson has entirely failed to turn it around, though he's had very little chance to build a team, most of the starters week in week out are the team he was left. The question of should he be starting them or dropping back on reserves, we don't know, if he played Kelly ever game instead of Johnson, he might be better, he might be much worse.

Should Hodgson go because he hasn't turned it around with the same players and little control of who came in under the previous owners, no. Should he go because theres no chance in any way the fans will give him a break, get behind him and see if he can turn it around with new players, maybe.

Hodgson made a HUGE number of signings at Fulham to turn them around, he did in no way turn the previous relegation contenders into Uefa cup finalists, almost every single last player at Fulham who starts wasn't there before Hodgson was.

Has he gotten better out of SOME of those players than they've shown at other clubs, Zamora, yes, others no.

Really what he did at Fulham was buy cheaper players at the right time who weren't flash enough or English enough to be seen as expensive players or highly rated, but he brought mostly quality players and made DOZENS of signings to turn Fulham into a half decent team.

He has to go, the rumour tonight is half the team think he's spent the day negotiating his leaving and the senior players currently believe he won't be in charge for the game this weekend.


There isn't a manager out there that could turn that squad into a top 4 team, whoever comes in will need new players in several positions and to ditch the rubbish aswell(if they can).

 

[Purdy]

Liverpool are where they belong, Roy is a good manager he's proved that at Fulham last season with little or no money, you guys are living in the 80s and think things can change instantly, its going to take your club a long time to turn around, your new owner has said as much with not making any promises.

Perhaps you should sell Gerrard & Rent Boy for cash to reshape the team!

We are where we belong based on what? The way we currently play, the manager, the players actually ability to play football?

Roy is a good manager is kind of a strong statement, he's also proved that he can drive a club into the ground at blackburn, or how he fared at inter milan was pretty damn poor.

Then again, just assuming your fishing for tonight, why we would sell them to rebuild when our owners just spent 300million on two baseball players i think they can fork out abitta cash.

 

[Purdy]

As he said, Hodgson has entirely failed to turn it around, though he's had very little chance to build a team

I dread the day this man is allowed to build a team for liverpool.
He has the resources to play a different style to the one we currently play, i believe it is called 'hoofball'.

Hodgson bought Raul Meireles which was a cracking buy, but plays him at right midfield when a partnership or Lucas-Meireles in midfield and Gerrard on the right or upfront is far superior, don't know if Gerrards all buddy with him because hes english.

But paul koncheskey and poulsen, i mean come on could you waste money or worse players?
Either that or Torres will have to be more english like pepe reina and become Fernando Zamora.

 

[cheets64]

Shame the players are dire and cant even do what they are paid to do, the money some of them most be on yet playing 2nd half of the EPL table football, Spurs probably have the same if not less quality of squad as Liverpool yet are flying high.

Manager has lost the players, fans have lost hope, players have lost everything, how on earth they think a guy 12 years out of the game will motivate them any better.

Reason why he is still boss, why get rid of him, who else is going to come in and work wonders, with the same players, funny seeing the HG going now NESV being just as bad, buy club do nothing.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Liverpool are where they belong, Roy is a good manager he's proved that at Fulham last season with little or no money, you guys are living in the 80s and think things can change instantly, its going to take your club a long time to turn around, your new owner has said as much with not making any promises.

Perhaps you should sell Gerrard & Rent Boy for cash to reshape the team!

Yes, Liverpool will take a lot of cash and time to become a good team, well not a lot of time if someone makes all the right signings in one window(which isn't far off what Hodgson did at Fulham).

The only issue I have with your post is how little Hodgson spent, he made a ridiculous number of signings, there might not have been any 40million single players signed, but 3-5mil players, when you sign 20-30 of them, add up.

hmm, in 2007/2008 Fulham spent 44mil on players, they spent a further 23mil in 2008/2009 and made around 13-14mil average on sales both seasons aswell, Hodgson had a pretty hefty net spend for such a small club to "turn around" the club.

A quick count suggests Fulham bought 30 players in 2007-2008, and 23 or so in 2008-2009. I have no idea why people think Hodgson turned a relegation side into a Uefa cup side, he didn't in any way do that, he spent 65mil + to utterly utterly change the entire squad.


Asides from the 65mil + spent, they also got free transfer galore. Schwarzer, Gera, Barnes, Dacourt, Kuqi, Keller, Stalteri, Murphy, Litmanen(meh), Shorey and Greening were all free transfers.

Those same players if they were in contract would be worth, I dunno, easily another 30mil, maybe a lot more. Murphy has been fantastic, Scwarzer one of the best keepers in the prem, Greening is huge for them, Barnes a young player with lots of potential, in contract they'd all be 5-10mil a piece at least. So not only did he spend 65mil but he also got fantastic deals on another 40-50mil of players. Seriously, he spent well for the most part, got a few duds, as all managers do and took an ENTIRELY NEW team to a Uefa cup final.

Roy being a "good manager" isn't really the issue, its more a case of whether or not he is the right "good manager" for Liverpool. I'm sure that if you asked many man utd fans if they thought Wenger or alladyce are "good managers" and they may well say yes, then ask if they want them as utd manager and they'll most likely say no. Not every "good manager" is right for every team, the manager has to fit the team, and vice versa. I don't think Roy does that in regard to Liverpool, I always thought he wasn't the right fit and so far it seems I have been borne out in that belief.

I don't know if he was the right or wrong manager. I do honestly think far to many liverpool fans think the Pool squad is capable of competing for the title, and therefore wanted a title winning manager, and therefore never really gave him a chance at any point. People expected an instant turn around, no idea why, they expected him to get much better out of existing players, he's not done this before, he spent 65mil + at Fulham to get turn them around, thats no small amount and MUCH more than Liverpool spent in Summer, much much more and Liverpool lost one of their best players on top of that.

Unrealistic expections ruined any slim chance Hodgson had of success at Liverpool, from Pool fans belief of how good their squad is, to the idea that Hodgson would magically turn piles of crap like Babel into world class strikers.

You've got mis information, a complete fallacy about who and what Hodgson is, and fans all over his back from BEFORE he even signed.

While also ignoring the massive change from previous seasons. They went from what 7-8 away wins per half season on average over a few years, to 4 to 1, all under Benitez. Hodgson has the same current away record as Benitez had for his last half season(to be fair, it couldn't really get worse) and has the same 20 points from 10 games at home that Benitez had last season.


Add all that up and Hodgson's done entirely nothing to make Liverpool better, and entirely nothing to make them worse.

If the fans didn't utterly hate him I'd give him a transfer window with real funds to turn the club around, and I'm fairly sure he could do it. At fulham Al turdface agreed to change basically the entire squad, and he did, and they went shooting up the table. HOnestly be it Hodgson, Mourinho, Kenny, or Big Nose(thompson) thats the only thing that will shoot Pool up the table, SIGNIFICANT change in the squad.

THere is no manager out there that will take the current squad to top 6.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I dread the day this man is allowed to build a team for liverpool.
He has the resources to play a different style to the one we currently play, i believe it is called 'hoofball'.

Hodgson bought Raul Meireles which was a cracking buy, but plays him at right midfield when a partnership or Lucas-Meireles in midfield and Gerrard on the right or upfront is far superior, don't know if Gerrards all buddy with him because hes english.

But paul koncheskey and poulsen, i mean come on could you waste money or worse players?
Either that or Torres will have to be more english like pepe reina and become Fernando Zamora.

AS I've said before, both Poulsen and Konchesky have been rubbish, most importantly both players were FAR better before they signed, they aren't bad buys. he didn't go out and get Hibbert and, Jeffers on their last 3 seasons form. He got two half decent players, one established in the league who'd been solid for 4 years+ at this level.

As for Meireles, maybe the answer to your question is Gerrard playing on the right, what have we seen from that before.......... lack of discipline, refusal to stay in position, drifting all over the place, and all with Johnson the least disciplined right back in the league who constantly gets caught foward? I haven't seen too much of Meireles on the right, but maybe he's played there because he's more disciplined and at least trys to defend more and cover for Mr Stupid behind him.

Meireles might have had good games in the middle, but its a little daft to say that Gerrard is better out wide than in the middle, he's not, nor has he ever been.

As for Hodgson's style, one player, maybe two, has said Hodgson is all about hoof ball, one player out of favour(though seemingly also injured for much of the season?) has been quoted as saying it. Fulham don't play hoof ball, and lets be honest, does any Liverpool fan really want Soto playing the ball out of defence, running it up the field and trying to pass the thing, or Caragher, Johnson, Konchesky?

At the moment your wingers are crap, your fullbacks can't defend, your CB's are injured or largely braindead(soto/Cara, I can't work out if Agger is just not liked or injured as I keep seeing both as reasons he isn't playing) your strikers except for Torres, are pretty poor and Torres's best chance of scoring latching on to a long ball in behind the defence. I really don't know why Pool fans think the current team should be, or can play beautiful passing football.

 

[Purdy]

Shame the players are dire and cant even do what they are paid to do, the money some of them most be on yet playing 2nd half of the EPL table football, Spurs probably have the same if not less quality of squad as Liverpool yet are flying high.

Manager has lost the players, fans have lost hope, players have lost everything, how on earth they think a guy 12 years out of the game will motivate them any better.

Reason why he is still boss, why get rid of him, who else is going to come in and work wonders, with the same players, funny seeing the HG going now NESV being just as bad, buy club do nothing.

What do you propose they do?
Sacking Hodgson is obvious, wasting money on transfers now that a new manager may not one is kind of silly, comolli has input, but by no means the final word

People getting on NESVs back already is very very dumb, worked wonders at red sox

 

[Purdy]

AS I've said before, both Poulsen and Konchesky have been rubbish, most importantly both players were FAR better before they signed, they aren't bad buys. he didn't go out and get Hibbert and, Jeffers on their last 3 seasons form. He got two half decent players, one established in the league who'd been solid for 4 years+ at this level.

As for Meireles, maybe the answer to your question is Gerrard playing on the right, what have we seen from that before.......... lack of discipline, refusal to stay in position, drifting all over the place, and all with Johnson the least disciplined right back in the league who constantly gets caught foward? I haven't seen too much of Meireles on the right, but maybe he's played there because he's more disciplined and at least trys to defend more and cover for Mr Stupid behind him.

Meireles might have had good games in the middle, but its a little daft to say that Gerrard is better out wide than in the middle, he's not, nor has he ever been.

As for Hodgson's style, one player, maybe two, has said Hodgson is all about hoof ball, one player out of favour(though seemingly also injured for much of the season?) has been quoted as saying it. Fulham don't play hoof ball, and lets be honest, does any Liverpool fan really want Soto playing the ball out of defence, running it up the field and trying to pass the thing, or Caragher, Johnson, Konchesky?

At the moment your wingers are crap, your fullbacks can't defend, your CB's are injured or largely braindead(soto/Cara, I can't work out if Agger is just not liked or injured as I keep seeing both as reasons he isn't playing) your strikers except for Torres, are pretty poor and Torres's best chance of scoring latching on to a long ball in behind the defence. I really don't know why Pool fans think the current team should be, or can play beautiful passing football.

Not asking for beautiful passing football, im asking for an attempt to atleast play football.

I also suggested playing Gerrard of Torres, but woy seems stuborn this 4-4-2 that got us battered against City is the way to go.
Gerrard in the 06/07 season i think it was, was pretty damn good on the right hand side, glen behind him may be an issue, although we have Kelly.

And its not like our centre backs are completely thick and cant run or pass a ball out of defence, Carragher's hoofball has always been there but he can pass if he wants, 2005 cl final, playing upto the third, carried the ball from within his own half with a bursting run and made a decent pass for baros to flick on.

Sorry but these guys are on so much money they can pass a ****ing ball 10 yards, pass and move isn't as hard as it sounds, blackpool play pass and move football, west brom too, we have the talent to atleast play like them two.

I'll agree our wingers are largely crappy, maxi is good at cutting in and linking up with Nando, pretty woeful otherwise most of the time if he tries to go down the line. Kuyt is well, kuyt. And Babel actually looks interested this season when he comes on, one of the only players, deserves more starts.

 

[BaZ87]

We might have some good news shortly

 

[xxalxx]

He's gone.