Roy Keane retires

no one knows what happened in the dreesing room,not the press or bbc
only the players and staff,
all we know is keane left
both had blow out
all can be said ,is the team picked them selfs up and played.a lot thought the would fail,played as good as they could
enough about keane & co
 
BoomAM said:
Because despite his past glories, he's been a shadow of the player he once was for United the last 2-3 seasons.
Put it down to injurys, put it down to his age, put it down to whatever, but the last 2-3, imo, he did more damage to United playing than he would have if he was on the bench. Put simply, he wasnt fit to play.
Again, before that, he was a blinding player, one of the best in his position, its just that he's carryed on far further than he should have.
/waits for United fan backlash. :p
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So his form dipped as he got older and after many persistent injuries? Good point, well made.
 
BrenOS said:
So his form dipped as he got older and after many persistent injuries? Good point, well made.
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Good atempt at sarcasm that. Atempt being the key word.
You missed my point by a country mile.
My point was that he should have known, and SAF, that he wasnt cutting it anymore, and should have retired/been dropped from the first team.
But that wasnt the case. He kept playing because he thought he could do good, and SAF kept playing him for some reason.
Again, injurys might have taken toll on him, and arguably his age as well, but he should have retired, or quit ManU when he wasnt cutting it. And he didnt.
 
lol.
True.
But in part im annoyed at both him and SAF.
Give him his credit, he may have pointed out his shortcomings lately to SAF, prehaps SAF didnt listen. We just dont know.
But either him or SAF should have done something about it. Or at the very least, given a time frame for his leaving, giving United time to scout and get a replacement, or change their style of play.
Again, dont get me wrong, good in his day, and various factors have affected him, but someone, be it him or SAF, should have been blunt on the matter. Because now, imo, a great career has been tarred with signs of 'playing for too long. Which a lot of players are guilty of, not just Keane.
 
tbh I haven't read any of the posts. Keane is an absolute legend!! One of the best footballers ever to grace a pitch anywhere in the world! SAF thinks so. Ok so SAF is his mate and old manager but he doesn't beat around the bush. He rates him as highly as anyone and with SAF track record you have to sit up and listen.

Me for one am quite sad he's retired. Not only does it bring an end to his career and entertainment for the old skool footballer but it is the end of an era, without a doubt.

God bless ya Roy. Missed already!
 
BoomAM said:
I suppose we'll never know why he wasnt dropped. Could be loyality, could be antisipated pressue from fans, could be any number of things.
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Because he was one of the greatest leaders ever to play for Man Utd. I'll not pick on your spelling.
 
My heart bleeds.

Great player of course, but I have no respect for someone who sets out to intentionally ruin a fellow footballer's career.
 
BrenOS said:
Because he was one of the greatest leaders ever to play for Man Utd. I'll not pick on your spelling.
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I havnt denyed he's one of Uniteds best. But what i have said (in a round about way), is that past glories should not cloud current performances.
And again, are people on this forum that pedantic enough lately that the only flaw that can be brought against my posts is spelling? lol. Why am i not suprised. :o
 
The last two or three seasons are irrelevant. What he achieved before that are what makes him a legend. He's eclipsed Robbo as the best captain we ever had, not just for his own performances but for the way he drove his team-mates on to play at their best. On the training ground or on match day, he demanded 100% effort and commitment from himself and everyone around him. Ask someone like Gerrard who his toughest opponent has been and he'll say Keane every time. Ask the senior pro's at United who the best player they played with was and his name will be aired repeatedly. Ask Fergie who his best player he's managed in his career has been and again it'll be Keane.

I'll never forget what he did for my team and when I think of Keane, I'll always remember that night against Juventus when after getting booked and knowing he'd miss the Champions League final, Keane giving the most selfless performance I've ever seen and driving his teammates to victory by his force of will. (I'll probably remember him and Viera in the tunnel at Highbury too, putting the coward firmly in his place!)

When Gazza got booked against West Germany he bawled his eyes out, Keano just knucled down and got the job done. There can be no more fitting epitaph for his footballing career.

Right, I'm just off to the local supermarket to destroy any Prawn sandwich I see!
 
BoomAM said:
I havnt denyed he's one of Uniteds best. But what i have said (in a round about way), is that past glories should not cloud current performances.
And again, are people on this forum that pedantic enough lately that the only flaw that can be brought against my posts is spelling? lol. Why am i not suprised. :o
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quite frankly thats not the only thing wrong with them, plus he said
"i'll not pick on your spelling"
 
BoomAM said:
I havnt denyed he's one of Uniteds best. But what i have said (in a round about way), is that past glories should not cloud current performances.
And again, are people on this forum that pedantic enough lately that the only flaw that can be brought against my posts is spelling? lol. Why am i not suprised. :o
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You're making a very trivial point. Of course he's not the player he once was. The fact is that he still merited his place in the starting XI and even more so as captain. Fergie isn't afraid to drop someone (Robson towards the end of his career) but look at Adams, Baresi, Maldini et al. All definately worth their place despite being shadows of their former selves.

I'll be first to agree with anyone who says Keane was a bit of a ****, but when Oaksey says that Sissoko is a better player and you make a totally useless point purely to get peoples backs up, I felt I had to put those comments to bed. And if you continue to spell horribly expect it to be brought up.
 
BrenOS said:
You're making a very trivial point. Of course he's not the player he once was. The fact is that he still merited his place in the starting XI and even more so as captain. Fergie isn't afraid to drop someone (Robson towards the end of his career) but look at Adams, Baresi, Maldini et al. All definately worth their place despite being shadows of their former selves.

I'll be first to agree with anyone who says Keane was a bit of a ****, but when Oaksey says that Sissoko is a better player and you make a totally useless point purely to get peoples backs up, I felt I had to put those comments to bed. And if you continue to spell horribly expect it to be brought up.
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lol.
Again with the spelling. I dont see a rule that says things must be spelt correctly...
And you think ive made these comments to get peoples backs up? lol. Theres a laugh. Trust me, if you think ive said that to get peoples backs up then you really have no clue. I have far better things to do than sit around all day thinking, 'hmm...how can i annoy people at OCUK today'. :o
Ive made these comments because this is my opinion on the matter.
If it gets peoples backs up, tough. I have to put up with rubbish off people and their opinions, so its only right that it goes both ways.
Anyway:
The difference being though, at least in terms or Baresi & Maldini, that even in their 'twilight years', they are still getting voted in the top 10 in Europe.
It could be argued that its because of lack of serious injury compared to Keane, but it cannot be denyed that the last 2-3 seasons he has been dire and not worth his place in the team. Yes his injury has taken a toll on him physically and probably mentally, but he doesnt deserve an automatic starting place purely on his past achievements.
I'd be the first one who'll call for Maldini's head if he starts playing consistantly bad. But he hasnt.
Keane on the other hand, has played consistantly bad. He should have been used as a player to sure things up at the end of games, the same way Milan do with Costacurta.
Again, i cant argue with his record, he has been one heck of a player for United. And he probably is one of their greatest ever players. But to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, his past achievements should not automatically make up for his bad performances.
 
Are you reading my posts? You're not responding to what I say, you're just repeating yourself.

He was worthy of his starting place. He was worthy of his captaincy. Last 2-3 seasons he has been dire and not worth his place in the team? I think that is delusional. Besides - SAF wouldn't take it if he wasn't cutting it, that can't be denyed (sic).

Can you backup the 'getting voted top 10 in Europe'? I think you just made that up.
 
BrenOS said:
He was worthy of his starting place. He was worthy of his captaincy. Last 2-3 seasons he has been dire and not worth his place in the team? I think that is delusional. Besides - SAF wouldn't take it if he wasn't cutting it, that can't be denyed (sic).
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Debatable. I dont think he did United any favours when he played.
As for delusional, hardly. Im not the one claiming that he's still cutting it. When he quite clearly isnt.
After all, didnt you say that his injurys have turned him into the player that im claming that he is at the moment? ;)

Can you backup the 'getting voted top 10 in Europe'? I think you just made that up.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year
Maldini at 9. In the top 10. Wheres Keane considering he's still playing well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFPro
Maldini in the FIFPro team of the season.

And IIRC, he was also in the Uefa CL team of the season for this years and last. And got 2nd in the GoldenFoot awards.

Not bad for a player who's in his 'twlight years' is it?

Looking at the stats, Keane hasnt been recognised in anything since 2001.
 
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G|mp said:
You cant use Wikipedia as a referance ffs

You do realise i could post up there that he slept with goats
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Why not. Its a source thats just as reliable as any other website out there that you could use for a source.
Becides, regardless of wether thats the website that its on, its a fact that he was in the top10 for last year, and in the FIFPro team, and 2nd in the golden boot, and in UEFAs team of the CL.
You can go and look all of them up, from any source you wish. And you'll see that im correct.

Although picking at Maldini is a way off topic anyway and has no bearing on Keanes ability over the last few seasons. I dont see why it was brought up in the first place.
 
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