Dunno if it was a joke but I actually read something once on a project for steam powered T-72s.
'Russia is seriously running out of cash'
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Dunno if it was a joke but I actually read something once on a project for steam powered T-72s.
Just shows really in what great shape the glorious Russian army is in. Hurr Durr!!
Soon we'll see projects for replacing tanks with bears altogether
Just shows really in what great shape the glorious Russian army is in. Hurr Durr!!
Soon we'll see projects for replacing tanks with bears altogether
Russians have a strange sense of humour so I'm not sure if it was something they thought amusing/trolling or actually serious.
Soldato
Alternatively here's a different opinion - He's a pilot, he flies the SU-25SM, he doesn't need a specially "desert" coloured assault vest when his woodland camouflage does exactly the same job and it's what he would wear 90% of the time in Russia. So why spend extra money on desert coloured kit that makes no difference to a pilot.
PS Going by your logic the RAF, USAF, USMC and virtually every Air Force in the world etc are also crap because they can't afford a "Specialised Uniform" and wear green vets - despite spending 20 years in the military I'm still amazed at the retarded stuff that people, who clearly know nothing about the military (of any nation), post about it
RAF
US Air Force
RAF
US Marine Corp
US Navy
Australian Army
French Air Force
I mean I could go on and post more but are you starting to see your mistake now?
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If they are too cash strapped for tactical equipment for their elite pilots then how come they managed to kit out 20,000+ in complimentary battledress for the "invasion" of Crimea including updated new camo - albeit only the specialist units were in EMR and many of the regulars had 1980s body armour.
You see that green vest on the "elite flying Ivan" in the Syria??? They are so pathetic and poor that they can not afford a proper specialized uniform for the "Elite" Air-Force.
Imagine if thats the best of the best, how crap is everything else?
Russia's military is one big bohoo.
And ameica and the uk have large numbers of troops buying thier own boots.
Alternatively here's a different opinion - He's a pilot, he flies the SU-25SM, he doesn't need a specially "desert" coloured assault vest when his woodland camouflage does exactly the same job and it's what he would wear 90% of the time in Russia. So why spend extra money on desert coloured kit that makes no difference to a pilot.
PS Going by your logic the RAF, USAF, USMC and virtually every Air Force in the world etc are also crap because they can't afford a "Specialised Uniform" and wear green vets - despite spending 20 years in the military I'm still amazed at the retarded stuff that people, who clearly know nothing about the military (of any nation), post about it
RAF
US Air Force
RAF
US Marine Corp
US Navy
Australian Army
French Air Force
I mean I could go on and post more but are you starting to see your mistake now?
Their shoulderpads are awful small for elite units. If World of Warcraft has taught me anything about the military, it's that the more badass you are, the bigger your shoulderpads.
Also they should be packing gold chains, wrap-around shades, maybe a cool top hat or black, knee-high leather boots.
Yeah I'm guessing those guys are just grunts. No, not guessing. It's just common sense, man. If you're an elite flyer you're going to want lots of gold all over your person.
Commissario
I may be wrong, but I suspect uniforms etc tend to be very much finite lifespan items that typically have to be replaced on a semi regular basis, it's pretty much a consumable that you can't really manage without*, unlike say ammo for training, spare parts for most of your vehicles to allow for more than essential training and operations.
They're also far cheaper than say a replacement engine for a jet fighter, or even just the maintenance on one after it's been out for training.
I don't know if it's still true, but not that long ago the Russian Airforce was from memory barely managing to keep the aircraft serviced enough to allow it's pilots to keep up to date on their flying hours, let alone full training and large scale exercises.
*Your troops have to wear something. (and it looks good in parades to have them wearing the same uniforms).
Caporegime
It's not mission specific. It's a standard multi theatre camo.
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One thing that history has taught us is that special forces and top units rushing forward and attacking while the dull mass of the army follow behind it can be very effective. That being said I would say that Russia don't have the ability to do that in the proxy style wars. Nor the money to fund such a direct invasion.
But what do I know I'm sat here my OCUK general hat on and making out I know what I'm talking about.
*loads command and conquer red 2*
But what do I know I'm sat here my OCUK general hat on and making out I know what I'm talking about.
*loads command and conquer red 2*
Considering the Russian planes perform so well in impartial tests (eg the Indian Airforce ones) then it shouldn't be an issue anyway!
Plus equipment this and equipment that the simple fact is no large modern army could occupy and hold hostile territory anymore people largely don't have that brutality in them anymore unless they have direct religious zeal or are grown in tanks and brainwashed like the North Koreans.
Plus equipment this and equipment that the simple fact is no large modern army could occupy and hold hostile territory anymore people largely don't have that brutality in them anymore unless they have direct religious zeal or are grown in tanks and brainwashed like the North Koreans.
I'm no expert but I believe the forces that took Crimea are in a mixture of an updated version of one of the Partizan camo variants and a few in EMR neither of which is in common use and their configuration was specifically generic without normal insignia, etc.
Caporegime
Yup. The insignias are all velcro on patches though. The uniform is completely interchangeable between all units and ranks. You just attach your insignias to the appropriate spot.
Or don't...as the case may be.
Yeah I'm aware of how that works - just pointing out for those forces they specifically went with a generic looking setup without using a lot of normal stuff. Though the AK74Ms, etc. are a bit of a give away lol. What is kind of weird is how many of them have 80s era body armour that looks pristine, new and in good condition - just how much stuff do they have in surplus :S
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Love how they use the words "communist dictator" for an elected president. From a supposedly unbiased professional news outlet (CNN). I'm no fan of Putin but c'mon, this is blatant misinformation.
Funny how we love to spread lies about people we don't like very much. Elect a government in Egypt that we don't like? Support a military coup that overthows them.
Hitler thought attacking Russia would be a cakewalk too and look where that got him! There are a lot of russians.
Funny how we love to spread lies about people we don't like very much. Elect a government in Egypt that we don't like? Support a military coup that overthows them.
Hitler thought attacking Russia would be a cakewalk too and look where that got him! There are a lot of russians.
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The West condemned the military coup in Egypt.
Not to the same extent, not by a long way really. Saudi, UAE and say North Korea are the main ones to exceed Russia re: spending as a % of GDP. Though two of them can afford it regardless.
He doesn't really have a lot of choice - can't exactly ignore NATO troop build up on the borders, etc.
Commissario
IIRC the NATO "troop build up" is in two forms.
Troops who have been there for decades, or on routine exercises that have gone on for decades at regular intervals, and those that have been moved there because of what has happened in the Ukraine, and the Russian activity along the borders of Nato countries (was it Sweden that has increased it's Garrison on one of it's islands after a large number of suspicious Russian "tourists" started arriving?).
Troops who have been there for decades, or on routine exercises that have gone on for decades at regular intervals, and those that have been moved there because of what has happened in the Ukraine, and the Russian activity along the borders of Nato countries (was it Sweden that has increased it's Garrison on one of it's islands after a large number of suspicious Russian "tourists" started arriving?).