Been a couple in GP2 this year, almost need the tecpro slightly lower than the surface so it can't get underneath.
I've got an odd feeling that we might be in for a good race tomorrow for some reason. (fingers crossed)
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Been a couple in GP2 this year, almost need the tecpro slightly lower than the surface so it can't get underneath.
I've got an odd feeling that we might be in for a good race tomorrow for some reason. (fingers crossed)
If Renault buy Lotus, Red Bull will by default be a customer team, perhaps Renault would benefit with data/feedback from them? I dont really know anything about how it all works to be honest.
Jay
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Not necessarily.
McLaren still had a pretty strong works team-style relationship with Mercedes, even after Mercedes acquired Brawn and were racing along as their own works team. I suppose by terminology they would be, but in reality? Not so much.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Renault treated RBR terribly after buying out Lotus.
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Does anyone think that Renault will actually have a competitive power plant for 2016?
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Do I think they will? No. Is it possible? I'm starting to think so...
The fact they haven't used any tokens is making me wonder just what Renault are up to. They must have something planned for them, it'd be a waste to not get some miles on an upgraded engine whilst you have the chance to, in proper conditions too.
Ferrari made massive leaps over the past winter but I guess they weren't unreliable last year either... Renault are both slow and unreliable. Renault could do the exact same, but that's where my faith stops. I don't think they will.
The fact they haven't used any tokens is making me wonder just what Renault are up to. They must have something planned for them, it'd be a waste to not get some miles on an upgraded engine whilst you have the chance to, in proper conditions too.
Ferrari made massive leaps over the past winter but I guess they weren't unreliable last year either... Renault are both slow and unreliable. Renault could do the exact same, but that's where my faith stops. I don't think they will.
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Expect some wheel-to-wheel smashes tomorrow as he passes the mid-field
Expect some wheel-to-wheel smashes tomorrow as he passes the mid-field
I'm not yet convinced they will be in F1 next year. They are taking an awful long time to do anything with Lotus, which means you start to ask if they are hitting issues that may be big enough for them to not go through with it. Lotus do look like a minefield of complex debt issues.
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Just caught up. Woah rosberg. Very much on it at this track. And jenson outqualifiying alonso interesting grid for tomoz.
interesting grid for tomoz.
Soldato
I didn't specifically mean all barrier impacts, more just general incidents (e.g. Alonso/Raikonnen at Austria) where the low nose has acted like a ramp. Here it's acted like a chisel and I wonder whether there will be a minimum and maximum height to satisfy both criteria and we'll have mid-noses.
Just caught up. Woah rosberg. Very much on it at this track. And jenson outqualifiying alonso
I'd suggest you don't watch the Alonso post qualifying interview if you want to stay cheery. He basically didn't really bother trying as he has a 35 grid place penalty so will start last, and has a bunch of experimental parts on the car so wasn't taking any risks.
Soldato
Already saw it. Alonsos a sly old fox. Just standard alonso psychology. If he hed out oerformed buttoni bet you he wouldnt have said all that.
Good to hear that McLaren have finally woken up and realised that this year is done and shifted their focus to 2016 though.
To be honest I'd actually be glad to see them both starting last for the rest of the season but in cars full of development stuff.
To be honest I'd actually be glad to see them both starting last for the rest of the season but in cars full of development stuff.
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That's what he said, yes, that doesn't make it true. From a guy who has spent 6 months saying this is a test season and how every mile counts... not trying in qualifying makes absolutely no sense. For one thing testing by not trying as hard as possible with experimental parts is beyond pointless.
How do you get a fair comparison between experimental parts and the existing parts if one driver tries and the other doesn't? Also experimental is a nice way of saying, these are future upgrades we believe are faster, there is a slim chance they aren't as good but they should be better.
As for woken up, Ferrari run new parts on one car vs the other car often. they've done it more than once this year in an attempt to develop the car further this year. Race weekends provide testing for new directions of the car, this is nothing new but ignored by a lot of fans.
2016 isn't new aero regulations. Anything that could improve the car next year can also improve it this year and right now. Putting on a weird part you think will help through 2017 rules to get some data is 'experimental' putting on a new updated part that you hope is faster is bog standard developing of the car. It's funny that when beaten by a significant margin all of a sudden he's running experimental parts.
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I think that's the idea, and Honda were saying they're fitting the parts to the cars as quickly as they can make them, but it takes time to do that, sadly.
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In before FIA do something retarded like ban them from qualifying for using it as a testing session for new parts
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Sainz' crash was 150km/hr @ 46g apparently, not as bad as it looked from the aftermath in all honesty.
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Every team brings parts to test to weekends and races. So many fans talk about lack of testing and lack of development allowed like they have no idea what happens. Ferrari brought what was it a 77% new car to a race to be tested over practice and in the race Vettel ran most of the updates while Kimi had something like half taken off.
Teams test throughout races all year, engine development is entirely unlimited, how many developments you can put on the car every year is limited but no where near as much as people think even by tokens. There is only so many new good working pieces you can design, produce, test and then get ready for the final car throughout the year anyway as it's a lengthy process. Aside from tokens there is significantly more 'development' allowed via reliability updates.
On Alonso and using the term experimental, teams only make parts they believe are faster, no one actively makes parts and ships them to be used in race weekends they think or know are slower. They don't always turn out faster on the car but the intention every time is for new parts to be faster which is why Alonso using what are known as upgrades as an excuse is rather ridiculous.
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I think the angle of that crash from that camera just above the wall really gives a strange impression of speed. As the car quickly becomes small due to angle it gives the impression the car is going faster than it was, still fast but not 250-300kph fast.
It also helped that the tepco was several layers deep, means the car travelled 4-5meters while decelerating stopping from that speed over 1-2m would have doubled the maximum g-force of the impact at least.
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Was that VW Buttons dad's? on the BBC