Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

[Avenged7Fold]

Also it's clear in the picture of the plane falling its wings were forward so was obviously not trying to outrun the Turkish jets.

Turkey have dropped the ball with this I feel, but until the audio of the warnings and proof of visual warning have been put up by turkey then I suppose it's too early to judge. Killing 2 men for the sake of 2km and no real threat is completely unjustified in my opinion, and I expect the rest of the NATO countries to come to the same conclusion.

Yup.

I am willing to put this down to Putin wanted to provoke and Turkey looking for an excuse.

 

[neoboy]

Hard to tell if it's a different body due to same inform and injuries to the face but second pilot looks to be dead too.

 

[Longbow]

Yayladagi is around 3km inside the Turkish border and the width of that space is around 20km..........

20km not 2. So 5 mins sound about right.

Even the radar report already posted doesn't show the jet flying over Yayladagi, it shows it flying over Yamadi, a distance of about 2.5km. This of course is all assuming the radar report is accurate.

 

[Dis86]

Can't see this ending as more than a war of words tbh. Turkey knows they'd get a spanking on their own, Russia doesn't want to be drawn in to WW3.

Lots of stern words will be had, Russia will make threats to appease the population and Turkey gets to say that they've defended their borders.

If it happens again... then I'm going to start stockpiling canned food and twinkies

How would turkey get a spanking? They have a massive defence force. Many of which have experience.

 

[Over Clocker]

Put yourselves in Turkish shoes guys. Imagine a Russian warplane flying over Dover a few times, on more than one occasion, after repeated warning....

 

[pa55ive]

I thought that track seems to show that the aircraft had completed the same loop once before, and it is probable it was warned a number of times both during and after that first incursion, then again, before it re-entered.
Doing it twice smacks of deliberate and inflammatory action.

That might be how they got the dozen or so warnings in. They went in then out again.

 

[Rofflay]

turkey joined nato in like 1952

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

The Turkish invasion of Cyprus[25] launched on 20 July 1974, was a Turkish military invasion of the island country of Cyprus, which was carried out following the 1974 Cypriot coup d'état.

 

[Gilly]

Sarah Rainsford @sarahrainsford

#Putin: plane was downed over Syria by Turkish F16. It fell in Syria, 4 k x-the border.Our planes didnt threaten Turkish terrority in any way

How would they have time to scramble jets to bring it down if the Russian plane really was there for a few seconds?

 

[Firestar_3x]

that radar plot suggests it was never anywhere near Yayladagi though? Assuming it is the red line, though certainly shows 2 passes.

Even the radar report already posted doesn't show the jet flying over Yayladagi, it shows it flying over Yamadi, a distance of about 2.5km. This of course is all assuming the radar report is accurate.

Indeed, however I'm more inclinded to trust a quote from the Trukish military rather than some random radar plot from source unknown.

 

[ADT]

Any news on the fate of the pilots?

 

[Cyanide]

Put yourselves in Turkish shoes guys. Imagine a Russian warplane flying over Dover a few times, on more than one occasion, after repeated warning....

We usually just politely escort them out of our airspace?

 

[Mynight]

You have looked at the very tip (of the tip of Turkey) the aircraft was flying across the wider area not the very narrow 2km part.

I think I'm being thick here. The radar image doesnt show it flying across the wider area . Assuming its legit that is.

 

[gettothechopper]

How would they have time to scramble jets to bring it down if the Russian plane really was there for a few seconds?

look at the radar map - the white line is probs the f16, patrolling its side of the border

Amramm can go about 50 odd miles at 3000mph

 

[pa55ive]

How would they have time to scramble jets to bring it down if the Russian plane really was there for a few seconds?

lying in wait i guess.

 

[gettothechopper]

We usually just politely escort them out of our airspace?

thats in international airspace, before ours

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

How would they have time to scramble jets to bring it down if the Russian plane really was there for a few seconds?

Because they were already aware of the earlier incursion, and tracked the aircraft on radar, preparing to perform another incursion.

Seems pretty plausible to me.

 

[Cyanide]

How would turkey get a spanking? They have a massive defence force. Many of which have experience.

Russia has a bigger armed forces. And nukes. Plus everyone knows Putin is a man-god who could win a war on his own à la Doctor Manhattan

 

[Iraklis]

Also take note , Turkish airforce violates on a DAILY basis the Greek Airspace, almost every time a dogfight takes place. Hypocrite Turks lol.

 

[Over Clocker]

We usually just politely escort them out of our airspace?

They've never been in our airspace, they wouldn't dare as they know the concequenses.

They have been NEAR our airspace, and get escorted away.

Near and inside are very very different.

 

[SPG]

We usually just politely escort them out of our airspace?

+1 and a hug.

Why do we do this ? It prevents escalation and this is exactly what the Turks should have done.


There has been incursions over UK airspace many times, you only get to know about the dull ones.......