Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

Over Clocker said:
They've never been in our airspace, they wouldn't dare as they know the concequenses.

They have been NEAR our airspace, and get escorted away.

Near and inside are very very different.
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Can't see it making much difference. We'd scramble some jets, escort them away and summon the Russian Ambassador for a jolly good telling off.
 
Mynight said:
I think I'm being thick here. The radar image doesnt show it flying across the wider area :confused:. Assuming its legit that is.
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Nope, the gap you measured is 2k, however the plane was reported to be 3km inside Turkish airspace and flying across the 20km 'gap', which given the warnings seems right, i think that 'Radar' data is probably BS, OR Turkey have done wrong and are covering themselves (which i doubt given that NATO will be tracking everything in that area and Turkey will know that).
 
This may make some change their minds over Turkey being so quick to act. A meeting was held last Friday about the violation of their air space.

The newspaper said the Turks warned the Russian ambassador they would retaliate and take necessary measures if their border security was threatened by operations against Turkmen Syrians close to the border. Turkish officials told the diplomats that Turkmen civilians were suffering as a result of Russian operations, and said the proximity to the Turkish border meant there was a possibility of a violation of Turkey’s border security.

“It should be noted Turkey’s rules of engagement were in place and there will be no hesitation to implement them if such a violation occurs,” the Russians were told, Hurriyet claimed
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I think someone on other thread mentioned what a Russian yet is doing in this area anyway, I don't know if ISIS are doing there or not, does anyone know?
 
Firestar_3x said:
Nope, the gap you measured is 2k, however the plane was reported to be 3km inside Turkish airspace and flying across the 20km 'gap', which given the warnings seems right, i think that 'Radar' data is probably BS, OR Turkey have done wrong and are covering themselves (which i doubt given that NATO will be tracking everything in that area and Turkey will know that).
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Argh right. Sorry I completely misunderstood what you disputed originally.

My bad.
 
Longbow said:
Reported where?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34907983

However, the Turkish military said two F-16s on patrol had fired on an unidentified aircraft at 09:24 (07:24 GMT) after warning it 10 times over five minutes about violating Turkish airspace over the town of Yayladagi, in Hatay province.

It noted that the F-16s had intervened "in accordance with the rules of engagement", which were changed after Syria shot down a Turkish plane in 2012.
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At the very least, if a Russian warplane strayed into actual UK airspace, after repeated warnings, warning shots would be fired.

Yes, Turkey SHOULD have fired off some warning shots from the plane's cannon first, but they shot it down. Either way, time will tell who was at fault here.
 
Cyanide said:
Can't see it making much difference. We'd scramble some jets, escort them away and summon the Russian Ambassador for a jolly good telling off.
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I think the difference is theres more legit reason for the russians being around turkish airspace-fighting syria, as opposed to flying near ours- sabre rattling, and therefore they know we'd be entirely justified to shoot them down as opposed to this sparking controversy.

Not saying turkey doesnt have justification, seems that's yet to be established, but i'm sure nato and the russians will be looking hard at more solid intel than we're getting atm to decide what to do next.
 
MookJong said:
This may make some change their minds over Turkey being so quick to act. A meeting was held last Friday about the violation of their air space.
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You're not allowed to defend somewhere on the basis that people living there have ancestry in your country! What wild precedent does Turkey think they're using to justify that? :p ;)
 
Over Clocker said:
Yes, Turkey SHOULD have fired off some warning shots from the plane's cannon first, but they shot it down.
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That's the same poor argument used in police shootings. "They should have shot him in the shoulder."

Firestar_3x said:
My problem is, what is the source of the Radar data?
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Who knows, the BBC claiming it's from the Turkish military, just like the quote you provided. Either the media is being duped, or the Turkish military are confused, or making stories up.
 
Wonder if they manage to recover the black box from the Russian warplane seeing how the pilots landed into the hands of people who were very happy about their deaths.
 
Longbow said:
Who knows, the BBC claiming it's from the Turkish military, just like the quote you provided. Either the media is being duped, or the Turkish military are confused, or making stories up.
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The problem i have with the 'Turkey making thing up' line is this airspace will be under intensive monitoring by NATO, who will know the track of this aircraft, Turkey being a member of NATO will clearly know that so i'd think the odds of Turkey making things up is somewhat less than the odd of the Radar data being fake.
 
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