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We can't tell the future but you could as easily ask the reverse. Current performance doesn't tell us future performance (and no, low resolution doesn't simulate this in any meaningful way)
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Ryzen "2" ?
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I mentioned it because in most benchmarks the 8700k is like 20 FPS ahead of the 2700kwhich for the next gen gpu might start being important.
And yet confusingly there are benchmarks that have the 2700x and 8700k close.
HHmmmmmm, was considering upgrading my 1600 to a 2600/2600X. Not sure if I'd see the benefit really, mostly 1980x1200 60fps gaming (1600 hits this no problem) but with a bit of VR thrown in which an upgrade may help a bit although that'll be mostly GPU limited. Not a lot of productivity apart from some photo processing. I may wait a while for a price drop or even next 7nm chip???
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My concern is this.
At the moment I can't run my 8 Pack ram stabily at DOCP settings. (3200MHz)
Will switching out the cpu for a 2700x solve this?
The IMC is on the chip so should in theory play nice with my ram.
But then what if it doesn't and it's my mobo that is the limiting factor.
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I presume it should be because if some of you are already able to run your ram at that speed then switching the cpu should solve the problem.
In hindsight if I had opted for the 1700x rather than the 1700 would orobprob not be upgrading already.
The x parts are binned sothe overclock lottery would have been more in my favour. More chance of ending up with a chip with a better IMC
At the moment I can't run my 8 Pack ram stabily at DOCP settings. (3200MHz)
Will switching out the cpu for a 2700x solve this?
The IMC is on the chip so should in theory play nice with my ram.
But then what if it doesn't and it's my mobo that is the limiting factor.
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I presume it should be because if some of you are already able to run your ram at that speed then switching the cpu should solve the problem.
In hindsight if I had opted for the 1700x rather than the 1700 would orobprob not be upgrading already.
The x parts are binned sothe overclock lottery would have been more in my favour. More chance of ending up with a chip with a better IMC
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Anyone dropping a 2700X into a X370 board? Let us know your results if you are. 
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Anyone dropping a 2700X into a X370 board? Let us know your results if you are.
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Bitwit has a review comparing 2600x on x370 and x470. Seems there is no reason to get x470.Anyone dropping a 2700X into a X370 board? Let us know your results if you are.
That said, the 2700x is pretty power hungry so the beefed up x470 boards could get the best out of them, though the better x370 boards should have ample power delivery tbh.
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I wouldn't have thought it'd be too difficult to mod the bios of the 300 series boards to get the new features like XFR2.
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Does the 2700x chips still boost to 4.35 xfr on the x370 boards?
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I read that the XFR stuff is all on the chip and the X370 boards will push the new chips the same as the X470 ones, i might be wrong though. Need a few people to buy X370 and X470 boards of the same model and then see whats what really.
If i was to buy a 2700X i would probably go to the Asrock Taichi Ultimate, but im interested to know if my CH6 would push it just as good.
One thing seems clear with Ryzen though, you need to make sure you buy decent ram for 1st revision chips, and if your running a 2nd gen chip you need to make sure you have a good enough mobo if using a 1st Gen motherboard.
Seems the niggles with Ram and power delivery have been fixed with 2nd Gen Chips and motherboards.
If i was to buy a 2700X i would probably go to the Asrock Taichi Ultimate, but im interested to know if my CH6 would push it just as good.
One thing seems clear with Ryzen though, you need to make sure you buy decent ram for 1st revision chips, and if your running a 2nd gen chip you need to make sure you have a good enough mobo if using a 1st Gen motherboard.
Seems the niggles with Ram and power delivery have been fixed with 2nd Gen Chips and motherboards.
Xfr2 is fine on the x370 boards. The x470 boards have the ability to change the power/thermal etc barriers of the boost to push further, but apparently that can be added to x370 too
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Would you say I am fine with my current Giga x370 Gaming 7 then for the 2700x?
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Does my Asus Prime Pro x370 qualify as a decent mobo for the next gen chips?
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Cant see why not, its the top end Gigaybte X370 is it not? your running an 1800X on it, i would think you could pop the 2700X straight in and not even bother overclocking it and let the XFR stuff do its work and still get more performance than your 1800X
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Yes it is the top end board. so there is no point getting a Gigabyte x470 then?
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Dunno in all honest Opeth, i went for the CH6 as it was the perceived to be the absolute best board, then 8Pack said the Taichi was close, so i bought one of those also, the CH6 was the winner for me as Elmor @ Asus kept the bios work flowing and it got regular updates etc.
I dont tend to ever skimp on motherboards, PSU, etc hence i have a 1000w Superflower Platinum PSU, and with Motherboards the CH6 and Taichi were the clear winners, however my brother runs the B350 Tomahawk and has never had an issue with it and his 1700.
In all honesty if i was to buy a 2700X theres a good chance i would buy a new motherboard, i would probably look towards Taichi, i wouldnt ever consider MSI, ever, period, they are a garbage company. I had a Gigabyte for my 4770k but given their antics with GPP i would probably not buy any of their products either, so im pretty much left with Asus and Asrock lol, ive had good experiences with my CH6 but i like the aesthetics of the Taichi, my only worry with Asrock is bios support is nowhere near as good as Asus.
To get the most out of these new Ryzens, especially the 2700X i think it would be best to just buy a highend motherboard as they are all designed with the power phases etc to push the chips correctly. Either that or pick up a CH6 to run with the 2700X, personally as i said, id buy an Asrock Taichi and hope they get ontop of bios updates, as the actual hardware design is second to none, they use some of if not the best components when building the Taichi boards, VRMs etc are all solid etc.
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See I had a hunch when AMD announced that the AM4 socket would be future compatible that this would be the case. People would still just want to / or need to upgrade the mobo's anyway.
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As i said below, you should be fine, but if you want to be 100% sure and safe, buy a top end X470 motherboard, again, i personally recommend the Taichi or the Asus CH series
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This was always going to happen, newer revisions would always offer things that the previous revisions lacked, but the fact of the matter is you can run a 2700X on an X370, it may not boost to its full potential if the X370 cannot supply the required power etc, but i will run and i imagine to its out of the box speeds etc. Where you might have an issue is trying to achieve the highest possible all core manual OC.
I would have no issues putting a 2700X in my PC right now on my CH6 and would probably just run it at its stock config out of the box as its XFR boost would outperform my 3.9ghz all core 1700. But being the type of person i am, i would probably want to push the chip as high as im comfortable with on all cores, so would probably buy a Taichi and try and get 4.3ghz+ on all cores
But like i say, if i was going to simply drop a 2700X into an X370 and leave it at its stock settings (Which incidentally still smash current ryzens) i would have no hesitation.
This was always going to happen, newer revisions would always offer things that the previous revisions lacked, but the fact of the matter is you can run a 2700X on an X370, it may not boost to its full potential if the X370 cannot supply the required power etc, but i will run and i imagine to its out of the box speeds etc. Where you might have an issue is trying to achieve the highest possible all core manual OC.
I would have no issues putting a 2700X in my PC right now on my CH6 and would probably just run it at its stock config out of the box as its XFR boost would outperform my 3.9ghz all core 1700. But being the type of person i am, i would probably want to push the chip as high as im comfortable with on all cores, so would probably buy a Taichi and try and get 4.3ghz+ on all cores
But like i say, if i was going to simply drop a 2700X into an X370 and leave it at its stock settings (Which incidentally still smash current ryzens) i would have no hesitation.
It is highly possible that Ryzen 3000 will work with X470 better than Ryzen 2000 currently work with X370
