Ryzen "2" ?

SiDeards73 · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:13

4K8KW10 said:
It is highly possible that Ryzen 3000 will work with X470 better than Ryzen 2000 currently work with X370

I fully agree, i think the 1st gen motherboards and 1st gen ryzens were a good starting point, they addressed the obvious issues with 2nd gen, 3rd gen will see a performance increase and power reduction, the X470 boards will not need to be superceded i reckon to cope with that, the only thing your probably going to need new boards for now is newer features like DDR5, or other newer interfaces etc.

SiDeards73 · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:25

This kinda backs up what i was saying, guys running a 2700X on a CH6 but using a decent AIO and fans

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8dm0ie/ryzen_2700x_and_windows_10_game_mode_allows_for/

4.4ghz all core boosting in games, this is the Precision Boost and XFR stuff at work here because his thermals and power delivery allow this to happen. I would be suprised to see more people reporting the same on decent setups, infact AMD originally said with Ryzen that the better cooling you had the better the chips would run, seems 1st Gen Ryzen wasnt really well tuned for this, 2nd Gen Ryzen seems to be able to actually show this off! bodes well for 3rd gen Ryzen too i imagine.

To me the 2700x looks like a brilliant chip, if your cooling allows it, you chip will boost high on single threaded stuff and on multithreaded stuff the cores will all boost up too nice, no real need for manual overclocking.

doodah · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:31

^ encouraging

(including the maglev fans he mentions). So a Kraken X52 and a decent case setup should be fine. I am running my 1700 @ 3.9 though considering bringing that down to 3.85 if I can drop the voltage a fair bit as I have seen with others. 4.4 though :eek:

, a bit toasty however.

Martini1991 · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:37

My 2700 comes at 1:15.
Probably get in stuck in tonight.

Only really going to so three benchmarks

My 1700 at its 24/7 clock in cinebench single and multi.

My 2700 at default settings in cinebench single and multi.

And then the 2700 at a 24/7 clock speed in cinebench single and multi.

Hoping for about 10% in ST

JJimmyJ · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:43

Ok, for my primitive brain, from what I'm seeing/reading:
XFR/Precision boost will possibly work better than a manual overclock. So, drop in the chip and as long as the cooling is good, potentially it could clock to ~4.3 on all cores? I'd assume then that this would also change voltage, so it would function more like offset voltages rather than fixed.
If that is the case, do people think the 2600x is a better bet than the 2600? Suppose silicon lottery could come into play and if cooling was good enough then the 2600 could boost the same as the x version

Mercutio · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:47

Martini1991 said:
My 2700 comes at 1:15.
Probably get in stuck in tonight.

Only really going to so three benchmarks

My 1700 at its 24/7 clock in cinebench single and multi.

My 2700 at default settings in cinebench single and multi.

And then the 2700 at a 24/7 clock speed in cinebench single and multi.

Hoping for about 10% in ST

9 hr till I get to play with mine

JJimmyJ said:
Ok, for my primitive brain, from what I'm seeing/reading:
XFR/Precision boost will possibly work better than a manual overclock. So, drop in the chip and as long as the cooling is good, potentially it could clock to ~4.3 on all cores? I'd assume then that this would also change voltage, so it would function more like offset voltages rather than fixed.
If that is the case, do people think the 2600x is a better bet than the 2600? Suppose silicon lottery could come into play and if cooling was good enough then the 2600 could boost the same as the x version

XFR seems to only go up to 4.1ghz all cores. That said... 200 MHz lost for drop in, cool it and it don't need messing with is... pretty appealing.
Would be interesting if it allowed single core over 4.3 too... I don't think it does though.

prjwebb · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:48

JJimmyJ said:
Ok, for my primitive brain, from what I'm seeing/reading:
XFR/Precision boost will possibly work better than a manual overclock. So, drop in the chip and as long as the cooling is good, potentially it could clock to ~4.3 on all cores? I'd assume then that this would also change voltage, so it would function more like offset voltages rather than fixed.
If that is the case, do people think the 2600x is a better bet than the 2600? Suppose silicon lottery could come into play and if cooling was good enough then the 2600 could boost the same as the x version

That's why I'm thinking X chips are the better bet this time. Pushing full core OC on all cores just seems really inefficient and hot on these chips. Possibly the lower TDP, lower leakage, non X chips are better in this respect and that is why reviews have been held back?

opethdisciple · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:55

SiDeards73 said:
This was always going to happen, newer revisions would always offer things that the previous revisions lacked, but the fact of the matter is you can run a 2700X on an X370, it may not boost to its full potential if the X370 cannot supply the required power etc, but i will run and i imagine to its out of the box speeds etc. Where you might have an issue is trying to achieve the highest possible all core manual OC.

I would have no issues putting a 2700X in my PC right now on my CH6 and would probably just run it at its stock config out of the box as its XFR boost would outperform my 3.9ghz all core 1700. But being the type of person i am, i would probably want to push the chip as high as im comfortable with on all cores, so would probably buy a Taichi and try and get 4.3ghz+ on all cores

But like i say, if i was going to simply drop a 2700X into an X370 and leave it at its stock settings (Which incidentally still smash current ryzens) i would have no hesitation.

I just want to run it at stock presently. So you don't think that will be an issue on an x370 board?

A 4.2GHz overclock at some point would be nice too.

I also want my ram 8 Pack ram to run at DOCP.

opethdisciple · 20 Apr 2018 at 10:57

Mercutio said:
9 hr till I get to play with mine

XFR seems to only go up to 4.1ghz all cores. That said... 200 MHz lost for drop in, cool it and it don't need messing with is... pretty appealing.
Would be interesting if it allowed single core over 4.3 too... I don't think it does though.

Are you implying that an 2700x in an x370 board will only boost to xfr1 speeds? And not to the 4.35GHz on one core that XFR2 is capable of?

LOLN1 · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:00

work in progress
score was max 1770 (cpu default ,old bios default,ddr4 3466 cl14)
Now look new bios
cpu default ddr4 3466 cl14 OMG !!!

JediFragger · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:09

Just out of interest, if I were to get a 2700X and 3600 ram then which ram is the best to get atm? Also is the XMP programmed into it so I'll just need to set it in the bios and it'll run at 3600 c14 etc? I fancy a bit of a play around with one tbh. Thanks.

prjwebb · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:12

JediFragger said:
Just out of interest, if I were to get a 2700X and 3600 ram then which ram is the best to get atm? Also is the XMP programmed into it so I'll just need to set it in the bios and it'll run at 3600 c14 etc? I fancy a bit of a play around with one tbh. Thanks.

Most of the reviewers seem to have been sent the G SKill Sniper X kits.

JediFragger · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:13

prjwebb said:
Most of the reviewers seem to have been sent the G SKill Sniper X kits.

Ok thanks Phil. Is the right XMP profile programmed into them do we know?

DragonQ · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:19

Unless you have a golden chip or do a lot of heavily threaded work and want to squeeze an extra 5% performance out, it definitely seems like overclocking the R7 2700X is pointless and probably hinders performance in some cases. The R5 2600X and R7 2700 might benefit a bit more though, depends on how much headroom they have in the first place.

haszek · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:20

Mercutio said:
9 hr till I get to play with mine

XFR seems to only go up to 4.1ghz all cores. That said... 200 MHz lost for drop in, cool it and it don't need messing with is... pretty appealing.
Would be interesting if it allowed single core over 4.3 too... I don't think it does though.

If you setup Performance Enhancement (something like MCE), this removes TDP limits and XFR2 can even auto overclock above 4.3 on single core and above 4.1 on all cores.

JJimmyJ · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:23

Hmmm, decisions decisions. I suppose the lack of motherboards in stock (and lack of reviews for them) means I won't pull the trigger just yet, but getting impatient and want to get building. My loop needs cleaned, and got a new block I want plumbed in!

prjwebb · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:24

JediFragger said:
Ok thanks Phil. Is the right XMP profile programmed into them do we know?

Yeah seems like the XMP/DCOP profile worked out the box. The review kits were 3400mhz, but most reviewers did OC them to 3600mhz I think.

JediFragger · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:26

prjwebb said:
Yeah seems like the XMP/DCOP profile worked out the box. The review kits were 3400mhz, but most reviewers did OC them to 3600mhz I think.

Ok great, that's close enough!

SiDeards73 · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:31

opethdisciple said:
Are you implying that an 2700x in an x370 board will only boost to xfr1 speeds? And not to the 4.35GHz on one core that XFR2 is capable of?

Read this https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8dm0ie/ryzen_2700x_and_windows_10_game_mode_allows_for/

Guy has 2700x, CH6, decent AIO Cooler, Win10 Game Mode is letting his 2700X hit all core 4.4GHZ in Stellaris...

Its running stock out of the box, no manual OC.... That is XFR / PB at work, on a CH6.. its the Chip that has XFR built in, 2nd Gen chips actually seem to be able to decently use XFR now.

Im now torn, i was going to buy an Xbox One X, i probably still am, i was going to sit out this gen of Ryzen and just go 7nm, but i am now more likely to just trade in my 1700 for a 2700X and leave it at stock on my AIO, best of both worlds, single core stuff, XFR will push my CPU up decently, multicore stuff, my cooling will allow all cores to go up nicely.

Hotwired · 20 Apr 2018 at 11:36

SiDeards73 said:
Read this https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8dm0ie/ryzen_2700x_and_windows_10_game_mode_allows_for/

Guy has 2700x, CH6, decent AIO Cooler, Win10 Game Mode is letting his 2700X hit all core 4.4GHZ in Stellaris...

Its running stock out of the box, no manual OC.... That is XFR / PB at work, on a CH6.. its the Chip that has XFR built in, 2nd Gen chips actually seem to be able to decently use XFR now.

Im now torn, i was going to buy an Xbox One X, i probably still am, i was going to sit out this gen of Ryzen and just go 7nm, but i am now more likely to just trade in my 1700 for a 2700X and leave it at stock on my AIO, best of both worlds, single core stuff, XFR will push my CPU up decently, multicore stuff, my cooling will allow all cores to go up nicely.

No he said it uses 1.5 cores so on low threaded it's hitting that.

Then he said as the game goes on the clocks speed lowers again.

That could be temps rising.