Ryzen "2" ?

[4K8KW10]

FOREVER THIS will stick with my vision of AMD noI was hoping to jump on Zen + but I think ill wait for Zen 2 on 7nm depends on pricing but... New car got stuff to do like Tyres and 2 good ones cost more than this 2700 will be

Pinnacle Ridge on a 12nm process will be more finished product than the first generation 7nm Matisse.
If you wait for anything, better wait for the second generation 7nm Vermeer CPUs in 2020

 

[Zeed]

Pinnacle Ridge on a 12nm process will be more finished product than the first generation 7nm Matisse.
If you wait for anything, better wait for the second generation 7nm Vermeer CPUs in 2020

True Not mgaming much nowadays/ well besides EPIC Kingdom Come best RPG since Morrowind and Fallout 1/2 times a real rpg

 

[TrixP10]

I just love ******* LOVE the optymism of AMD fans.
Can ANYBODY remind me last time they actually delivered something besides EPYC slides ??

FOREVER THIS will stick with my vision of AMD now:

I can see Zen+ Crushing competition

This shows 8% gain in Multi and 12% in Single. And I consider FLAT OUT RIGHT.

For DREAMERS and people with memory loss
http://www.eejournal.com/article/globalfoundries-puts-their-cards-on-the-table/

They call it their 12LP process, based on 14LP. But they compare the specs to industry-“standard” 16-nm processes, with up to 15% denser circuits and 10% less power than 16 nm. Risk starts should be available early next year.

Since its JUST A SHRINK with tweeks then those numbers are what we will get. Knowing how AMD sells products nowadays aka extra volts just 100mhz off maximum what theis silicone can pull (Fury X 480-580 VEGA anyone?? ).



I was hoping to jump on Zen + but I think ill wait for Zen 2 on 7nm depends on pricing but... New car got stuff to do like Tyres and 2 good ones cost more than this 2700 will be

Yeah, I suppose it will be a long time (several weeks) before AMD catch up with that 7960x (at half the price)

 

[~>Dg<~]

i cant believe people are expecting a ryzen chip that basically to most of the public did 3.8 to suddlenly in such a short time become a public 4.5. it aint happening.

the public will get 4.0 -4.2.up the usual amount like since time began for a refresh.i dont get how amd can get closeish everytime but not push that little extra what is it ? is it they dont have the resources or is it they dont have the people clever enough to build a intel topping cpu ? i believe they have the people to do it but what holds them back?

 

[sideways14a]

Wow a brand new architecture running brand new software, bios and all sorts has problems in its first few months...

Jesus i never saw that coming, i mean the likes of Intel and Nvidia never have any issues with components not working right - chips burning out, being ran out of spec or heaven forbid they have architectural issues that could result in security being compromised and data lost. They also never have driver problems, all intel and nvidia gpu drivers are flawless first time out - they never need updates to them for things that dont work right -
AMD, utter crap.

 

[DragonQ]

Since its JUST A SHRINK with tweeks then those numbers are what we will get. Knowing how AMD sells products nowadays aka extra volts just 100mhz off maximum what theis silicone can pull (Fury X 480-580 VEGA anyone?? ).

I agree, I think those are the numbers we'll get (~10% clock speed bump, maybe better RAM compatability and that's it). In fact comparing it to the Radeon 4xx to 5xx series jump is pretty apt: a more mature process allowing higher stock and maximum clocks.

 

[Martini1991]

i cant believe people are expecting a ryzen chip that basically to most of the public did 3.8 to suddlenly in such a short time become a public 4.5. it aint happening.

the public will get 4.0 -4.2.up the usual amount like since time began for a refresh.i dont get how amd can get closeish everytime but not push that little extra what is it ? is it they dont have the resources or is it they dont have the people clever enough to build a intel topping cpu ? i believe they have the people to do it but what holds them back?

Back in deneb days the original silicon used to top out at 3.8/3.9ghz but I ended up with a phenom ii that would do 4.375 on 6 cores, I had a dual core phenom ii do 4.4+

So I don't see it as unreasonable

 

[eddiew]

i cant believe people are expecting a ryzen chip that basically to most of the public did 3.8 to suddlenly in such a short time become a public 4.5. it aint happening.

You are quite possibly correct, but wishful thinking has never been a crime. I mean, how many people pre-ordered Ryzen 1 before the benchmarks were out?

 

[humbug]

#### me guys these slides could not be more obviously fake, there is evidence of photoshopping all over them, idiotic spelling mistakes and with last years Ryzen 1### series embargo dates, we have the usual two factions here one using them to argue how much fail they are and the other how good it makes them.... give it a rest they are fake

As for AMD. Thier PR department is full of buffoons, first they quote and endorse these leaks and later retract it saying it was a mistake. wow.... get a grip of your PR this is insane!

 

[sideways14a]

I expect a 10% clock speed improvement and circa 5% ipc or thereabouts.
Whats the point of releasing something that only moves on by 5% from the previous version? I mean its not intel right?

So a boost clock of 4.3 or so for the top chip is not out of the question, especially with the new xfr which maybe on top of that. Remember 4.3 on an 8 core cpu at about 100 watts is a lot of grunt, intel struggle to squeeze out a 6 core chip that doesn't melt its way to the center of the earth.
There is more to computing than single thread performance for crap games that dont scale.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

#### me guys these slides could not be more obviously fake, there is evidence of photoshopping all over them, idiotic spelling mistakes and with last years Ryzen 1### series embargo dates, we have the usual two factions here one using them to argue how much fail they are and the other how good it makes them.... give it a rest they are fake

As for AMD. Thier PR department is full of buffoons, first they quote and endorse these leaks and later retract it saying it was a mistake. wow.... get a grip of your PR this is insane!

Unless they are quietly just testing the waters to see who is leaking stuff,or to put some misinformation out before the launch.

i cant believe people are expecting a ryzen chip that basically to most of the public did 3.8 to suddlenly in such a short time become a public 4.5. it aint happening.

the public will get 4.0 -4.2.up the usual amount like since time began for a refresh.i dont get how amd can get closeish everytime but not push that little extra what is it ? is it they dont have the resources or is it they dont have the people clever enough to build a intel topping cpu ? i believe they have the people to do it but what holds them back?

The Intel 14NM node is older and just more mature now as it has more years of development??

 

[orbitalwalsh]

I expect a 10% clock speed improvement and circa 5% ipc or thereabouts.
Whats the point of releasing something that only moves on by 5% from the previous version? I mean its not intel right?

So a boost clock of 4.3 or so for the top chip is not out of the question, especially with the new xfr which maybe on top of that. Remember 4.3 on an 8 core cpu at about 100 watts is a lot of grunt, intel struggle to squeeze out a 6 core chip that doesn't melt its way to the center of the earth.
There is more to computing than single thread performance for crap games that dont scale.

i believe Thread ripper could hit 4.2 ghz ? cant remember and been a while since i looked - as they were the best binned - bit of a sneak with amd claiming X ryzen chips were the best when actually Thread Ripper were and Ryzen X - where next in line .

so in theory- 4.3ghz should be a given on higher with solid water - then with Thread Ripper + H2 Q4 (least i think it was, to lazy to check on x499) , AMD has plenty of time to sell old stock of Thread ripper whilst get a good Bin of Thread Ripper + chips ready

Unless they are quietly just testing the waters to see who is leaking stuff,or to put some misinformation out before the launch.



The Intel 14NM node is older and just more mature now as it has more years of development??

AMD NDA has a nice amount of sheets to it ;(

 

[EsaT]

They call it their 12LP process, based on 14LP. But they compare the specs to industry-“standard” 16-nm processes, with up to 15% denser circuits and 10% less power than 16 nm.

And is Intel doing any better?
I mean does anyone remember last time when Intel actually had new CPU made on new process node which wasn't just improvement/tweak of existing node?
I certainly don't remember anymore how many years ago that happened.
It's just that actually major improvements to manufacturing process have become exponentially harder.

And it's becoming hard to remember when Intel last time actually improved CPU architecturally instead of minor tweaks.
Kaby Lake was pretty much carbon copy of Skylake with clock speed tweaks.
And Coffee Lake is Kaby Lake with more cores.
And still Intel hasn't even managed to get out full Coffee Lake/"8th" gen product lineup with also more affordable motherboards:
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...ew-high-end-cascade-lake-x-debuting-next-year

Though also single thread performance increase is becoming constantly harder:
Increasing transistor budget doesn't help when pretty much all important instructions can already be processed in single clock cycle.
15-20 years ago CPUs needed multiple clock cycles for many instructions and addiotional transistors allowed decreasing that.
And adding completely new instructions/hardware for them doesn't help any with existing code...
While increasing complexity and internal "bureaucracy" of CPU and hence is balancing with power consumption.
(like Intel's completely off the TDP charts AVX power consumption)


While actual CPU core design improvements are expected only from next year's Zen2 improvements to Infinity Fabric and memory controller have been on expectation list of Zen+.
And this kind memory latency improvements would be certainly very good thing for real world performance:
https://www.techpowerup.com/242119/first-leaked-benchmarks-of-amds-ryzen-7-2000-processor
In multithreaded load single thread stopping for waiting data doesn't affect that much overall performance...
But for single thread performance memory latencies are always critical.

So if Zen+ can also get XFR clock to near 4.4GHz it would do nice job in decreasing Intel's advantage in games.
Also there's upgrade path of Zen2 and also it's tweak being compatible with AM4 socket.
Unlike Intel giving mid finger for user in upgradeability.

 

[sideways14a]

Product to product, ie 1700 to 2700 there may be a big difference, but yeah of course TR going 4.2 is not as big a jump, however TR was the best of the best and cost a packet - not the consumer friendly AM4 1700 doing a lot less.

 

[Beren]

-Graph Slide-
This shows 8% gain in Multi and 12% in Single. And I consider FLAT OUT RIGHT.

Actually there is slightly more to it than that - if this is Actually the 2700x then we should be comparing it to the 1700x. That would be a 17% increase in multi and a 14% increase in Single thread IF that is actually what we should be comparing it against.

The question is is that a marketing play and there is going to be no 2800X or is this actually the 2800X?

It definitely shows an 8% and 12% gain over the last generation flagship product, which is very close to exactly what everyone was predicting. If that slide is right I guess you also believe the gaming benchmark slide is also right? If so that puts 2700x performance at 2-4% from the 8700k in gaming benchmarks - apart from 5 outlier games which are poorly optimized.

IF and it is a big IF there is actually a 2800X that can get another 3% single thread perfromance I think we will be at complete parity in Gaming and obviously there will be a big advantage on multithreaded productivity.

We also have no idea yet if there is going to be any real headroom above that 4.35Ghz clockspeed and we wont know that until someone does a proper review of the chip under water.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

i believe Thread ripper could hit 4.2 ghz ? cant remember and been a while since i looked - as they were the best binned - bit of a sneak with amd claiming X ryzen chips were the best when actually Thread Ripper were and Ryzen X - where next in line .

Yup, my 1950x boosts to 4.2ghz.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Yup, my 1950x boosts to 4.2ghz.

Can yours hit 3600hz on the ram also ?
Expecting 4.65hz with Ripper+ and 3600hz XMP - should have 3 quarters worth on binning to pull it off .

Over 4.5 16 core 3600hz .... Now that's looking awesome !

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Can yours hit 3600hz on the ram also ?
Expecting 4.65hz with Ripper+ and 3600hz XMP - should have 3 quarters worth on binning to pull it off .

Over 4.5 16 core 3600hz .... Now that's looking awesome !

Yes but only at loose timings.

 

[fowler002]

So I’ve not been keeping up with this thread, what’s the rumoured price of the 2700/2800?

With the like ~10-15% performance bump from the 1700/1800 where will that put them in terms of the 8700k in mainly gaming terms(4K)? I don’t want/need the technical details(ipcs or whatever) like last time I tried asking this question.

I’ll be gaming on the Samsung 49mu6400 4K tv, will be using a evga 1080ti ftw3. Just waiting to see how these new cpu stack up against the 8700k before building my new pc, kind of got the build decided on just need to decide on the cpu.

 

[DragonQ]

So I’ve not been keeping up with this thread, what’s the rumoured price of the 2700/2800?

With the like ~10-15% performance bump from the 1700/1800 where will that put them in terms of the 8700k in mainly gaming terms(4K)? I don’t want/need the technical details(ipcs or whatever) like last time I tried asking this question.

I’ll be gaming on the Samsung 49mu6400 4K tv, will be using a evga 1080ti ftw3. Just waiting to see how these new cpu stack up against the 8700k before building my new pc, kind of got the build decided on just need to decide on the cpu.

We don't know price or performance yet.

However, if you want to believe the latest rumours, the top end chip will be the R7 2700X at $369/£320, with the R5 2600X being $249/£215, and the R5 2600 (which'll likely replace the R5 1600 as the bang-for-buck gaming CPU in the line-up) being $199/£170. All of them will feature a ~10% clock speed bump over their replacements.