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Ryzen "2" ?
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Yeah there might be sod all overclocking or very little xfr.. lets hope not especially as the tdp has seen a bump which may be a good thing.
I would expect almost no overclocking headroom on the X chips, maybe 100 MHz. They're clearly pushing the clocks as hard as they can here, hence the raised TDPs. I'd guess 4.5 GHz on golden samples, compared to some Threadripper chips that can hit 4.2 GHz on high voltages.
The Chief Editor of CanardPC Hardware now says on twitter that they did test the 2700X CPU on both X370 and X470 boards, but ended up using the A320 board for a stock review.
He also mentions that with auto overclocking/boosts enabled on the X470 board, you can see a 5-8% speed gain over stock settings.
Source : https://twitter.com/d0cTB/status/979428269329133568
He also mentions that with auto overclocking/boosts enabled on the X470 board, you can see a 5-8% speed gain over stock settings.
Source : https://twitter.com/d0cTB/status/979428269329133568
According to that some boards are setting all cores at turbo speeds. 5-8% would make sense if that is happening.
4.35ghz on 8 cores would be a decent step up as most chips only did 3.9-4.0 with Summit Ridge.
Presumably some chips will do even more if motherboard manufacturers are playing around with having an MCE equivalent enabled by default.
Whilst that won't beat an [email protected] in games, it will beat everything else. 8600K no HT and 8400 locked at 3.8.
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Caporegime
It will be interesting to see what clockspeeds Zen+ can reach when overclocked and with sufficiently good cooling.
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So 5 - 8% in gaming over their A320 results, that would make it 8 -11% total, the 8700K was only 18% faster, wonder what they mean by "cheats"
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@CAT-THE-FIFTH would i be right to assume that by "Cheats" CanardPC are actually talking about Precision Boost 2? "cheats" is just bad English, or perhaps they actually believe that the Precision Boost 2 behavior is some form of cheating and they used the A320 results because Precision Boost 2 is disabled or not working on that board.
What are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts?
So 5 - 8% in gaming over their A320 results, that would make it 8 -11% total, the 8700K was only 18% faster, wonder what they mean by "cheats"
I'd assume its stuff like the MCE (Multi-core enhancement)all cores boosted to turbo option like you see on some intel motherboards. It will actually be a nice feature if ryzen responds well to it as hopefully we can get say all 8 cores on the 2700x to 4.35
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Cooling on Ryzen never seemed to have that big an impact weirdly. I would not expect too much. 4.5 common o/c on all cores from top chips would be my guess right now with a few making it to 4.6/4.7. (just based on the prior chips capability)
The cheating CanardPC is referring to originally comes from the MCE (Multi Core Enhancement) was enabled by default on some Coffee Lake motherboards.
This caused some 8700K reviewers such as Linus and Gamersnexus to post MCE enabled (OC) 8700K benchmarks as stock settings.
MCE is a bios setting that forces the CPU to run at the highest frequency on all CPU cores simultaneously.
The bios on CanardPC's X470 motherboard had all kinds of boosts enabled by default.
I guess this was the reason they used the A320 to make sure no boosts was active for their stock 2700X CPU review.
This caused some 8700K reviewers such as Linus and Gamersnexus to post MCE enabled (OC) 8700K benchmarks as stock settings.
MCE is a bios setting that forces the CPU to run at the highest frequency on all CPU cores simultaneously.
The bios on CanardPC's X470 motherboard had all kinds of boosts enabled by default.
I guess this was the reason they used the A320 to make sure no boosts was active for their stock 2700X CPU review.
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Caporegime
That seems really odd.
The 8700K has an advertised clock of 3.7Ghz, its Multi Core Boost is 4.3Ghz, that in reality is what its running at, some high end boards like Asus had Multi Core Enhancement running them at 4.7Ghz
So WTF are CanardPC on about? if they are claiming Ryzen 2800X has a Multi Core Boost of 4.35Ghz but is also Multi Core Enhancement overclocking its self by ~8% then what they are saying is on the B450 and X470 boards its running at 4.7Ghz.
Wouldn't that be nice? or do they just think the 4.35Ghz Multi Core boost is Multi Core Enhancement and shouldn't be doing that?
I think CanardPC are confused because i cannot see these CPU's running all core 4.7Ghz.
CanardPC isn't very clear but the Multi Core Boost turbos to 4.35Ghz for 1 Core, and with Precision Boost Overdrive it's almost 2 Cores.
With Multi Core Enhancement (MCE) enabled in the X470 bios, it should set all 8 cores to 4.35GHz if it works like the MCE we see on other boards.
Any manual OC then adds to this if the cooling and CPU allows it.
I think enabling MCE disables all other speed enhancements.
MCE is probably only featured on some X470 boards since it pushes the motherboard.
With Multi Core Enhancement (MCE) enabled in the X470 bios, it should set all 8 cores to 4.35GHz if it works like the MCE we see on other boards.
Any manual OC then adds to this if the cooling and CPU allows it.
I think enabling MCE disables all other speed enhancements.
MCE is probably only featured on some X470 boards since it pushes the motherboard.
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I suspect it might be the AMD equivalent of MCE?? If it actually has an effect that tells me Ryzen+ can actually get past 4GHZ on all cores.
Well that is not too bad considering Ryzen only came out last year!! Intel has had years of practice with their 14NM CPUs!!
Caporegime
Multi Core Enhancement and All Core Boosting are different things, in the case of Intel the 8700K all core boosts to 4.3Ghz, cooling permitted, Multi Core Enhancement is available on some motherboards like ASUS ROG, with that the 8700K all core boosts to 4.7Ghz, JayZ2Cents and PCPer got into hot water over it because they left it on during their 8700K reviews on their ASUS ROG boards, MCE is not an Intel thing, its an ASUS thing but they are now turning that off by default because they are getting complaints, not all 8700K's are stable at 4.7Ghz.
CanardPC i think are mistaking Ryzen all core boost for Multi Core Enhancement.
CanardPC i think are mistaking Ryzen all core boost for Multi Core Enhancement.
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If CanardPC are mistaking All Core Boosts for MCE, if the reason they published the A320 boards results because they thought Ryzen 2### designed tendency to All Core Boost to <4.35Ghz on B450 and X470 boards was MCE, "Cheating" < their words, then their Ryzen 2### results are in fact just base clock 3.7Ghz and that 8% extra gaming performance over the already existing 3.4% they result over the 1800X will in fact be about <12% over the 1800X, by their results that would put 8700K gaming performance advantage at around <8% over the 2700X on B450 and X470 boards.
All core boost at 4.35ghz (or whatever) is not stock behaviour. Canard PC have not called it MCE. They've simply recognised that it isn't stock behaviour, but overclocking (or "cheats").
They already know what the speed curve should look like according to AMD. The 8700K has been designed to boost all cores to 4.3ghz at stock. That is the stock speed curve.
MCE boosts the 8700K for all cores to it's single core speed @ 4.7ghz. If all 2700X cores are being set to 4.35ghz then that would be the same thing, as 4.35ghz is also the single core boost speed.
The A320 board will follow the stock speed curve.
Either way, what this tells is that nearly all 2700X chips should overclock to 4.3ghz+ much in the same way all 8700K chips overclocked to 4.7ghz+.
They already know what the speed curve should look like according to AMD. The 8700K has been designed to boost all cores to 4.3ghz at stock. That is the stock speed curve.
MCE boosts the 8700K for all cores to it's single core speed @ 4.7ghz. If all 2700X cores are being set to 4.35ghz then that would be the same thing, as 4.35ghz is also the single core boost speed.
The A320 board will follow the stock speed curve.
Either way, what this tells is that nearly all 2700X chips should overclock to 4.3ghz+ much in the same way all 8700K chips overclocked to 4.7ghz+.
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That's quite clearly wrong, even the 1800X does not stick to its 3.6Ghz base clock, it also boost all of its cores to 3.7Ghz, my Ryzen 1600 does the same thing, it has an all core boost of 3.4Ghz from a base clock of 3.2Ghz and thats exactly what it does.
The argument that its right when Intel have an all core boost but AMD having the same function is illegal boosting, "cheating" ridiculous....
CanardPC used mostly old games launched long before ryzen even existed, obscure games the chances are AMD have not optimized for, with a vast potpourri of brilliant modern games why would they do that? why would you use a collection of such obviously Intel slanted games?
I think CanardPC don't quite believe that Ryzen has caught Intel's finest gaming CPU up quite so much, so much as to reduce it to little more than margin of error differences even with such Intel slanted benchmarks, so they look for something that could fit their preconceived narrative that something IS wrong and they think they found it in the B/X 400 series motherboards, running the CPU's core above the 3.7Ghz base clock is "cheating". and knowing about Asus's MCE they probably believe it, so much that they can't see the 8700K base clock is also 3.7Ghz, not 4.3Ghz which is what it actually runs at when the cooling is good enough.
I'll put it this way:
In their review: Ryzen 1800X is running 2666Mhz RAM, 2700X 2933Mhz, the gaming performance difference is 3.4%, that accounts for the difference in Ram speed, its bang on if they are running the same 3.7Ghz CPU clocks.
The difference between 3.7Ghz and 4.35Ghz is 17%, they say the gaming performance on B/X400 series boards is <8%... again now THAT accounts for the clock speed difference.
CanardPC are fooled by their own disbelief.
An 1800X does not boost all cores at 4.1ghz. I'm not sure why you wrote an essay but it is as simple as that
If the 2700X runs all cores at 4.35ghz as a result of the motherboard, that is exactly the same as MCE where the 8700K runs at 4.7ghz.
Canard PC are not mistaking all core boost for MCE. You can even see them plot a curve for you. 3.9ghz is the all core boost.
I know you like to dismiss anything that appears not to fit with your inflated view of Ryzen+, but I hope you've seen that on the last set of leaks which most sensible people would say were real, did turn out to be correct.
If the 2700X runs all cores at 4.35ghz as a result of the motherboard, that is exactly the same as MCE where the 8700K runs at 4.7ghz.
Canard PC are not mistaking all core boost for MCE. You can even see them plot a curve for you. 3.9ghz is the all core boost.
I know you like to dismiss anything that appears not to fit with your inflated view of Ryzen+, but I hope you've seen that on the last set of leaks which most sensible people would say were real, did turn out to be correct.
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