Ryzen "2" ?

[humbug]

Ok. Tineye and google Reverse image say otherwise. But let's assume they are yours because you could have posted elsewhere. I know a lot of images you have posted are off of the net.................................please stop doing it yes ? This is serious stuff going on here, it dosn't need to be clouded by anything other than real experiencees and real benchies that we do ourselves. Not half backed crap from some bench site that knows nothing from nothing.

Now that doesn't make any sense, in order for you to claim "Tineye and google Reverse image say otherwise" you would have to know whatever that data is does not match whatever data its supposed to on my end, you know nothing about anything on my end, whatever that is, they are MSI Afterburner Screenshots, how from that do you know they are not mine? no really i would like to know.

They are mine, now tell me how they are not. seriously you are out of line with this.

 

[kitfit1]

Now that doesn't make any sense, in order for you to claim "Tineye and google Reverse image say otherwise" you would have to know whatever that data is does not match whatever data its supposed to on my end, you know nothing about anything on my end, whatever that is, they are MSI Afterburner Screenshots, how from that do you know they are not mine? no really i would like to know.

They are mine, now tell me how they are not. seriously you are out of line with this.

I know your angry, but do your own Tineye and google reverse search....................you will see those same pics. I'm not trying to make you look stupid or anything of that nature, just to make that clear................................hell i could be wrong and even making myself look a wally lol
In general though, in a lot of your posts, where you are defending Ryzen.........................a lot of the pics you post are pulled off of benching sites. My main point is, these benching sites are just full of lazy peeps that couldn't bench a piece of beef, even if given full cooking instructions let alone a cpu and ram.
Stop using them and just post up your own results. Not rocket science is it ?

 

[humbug]

I know your angry, but do your own Tineye and google reverse search....................you will see those same pics. I'm not trying to make you look stupid or anything of that nature, just to make that clear................................hell i could be wrong and even making myself look a wally lol
In general though, in a lot of your posts, where you are defending Ryzen.........................a lot of the pics you post are pulled off of benching sites. My main point is, these benching sites are just full of lazy peeps that couldn't bench a piece of beef, even if given full cooking instructions let alone a cpu and ram.
Stop using them and just post up your own results. Not rocket science is it ?

This is the Google image look up https://www.google.com/search?tbs=s...MaQG4kyBHlEG4asVddKMT1dxoO4rSvvyPoDeiOPVAf-BQ

And this is the only other place these images turn up, oh look... its my post, the post i originally posted them in. there are other Dirt Showdown images, but they are clearly not these, check each one there aren't that many.

Click on the little arrow next to my name in the below quote to go to its source.

Ok, with the hope that you drop this subject i'll bite, Dirt Showdown is the oldest game i have with a built in benchmark, its from 2013, i think, its an old game and one of those where low threaded IPC and Mhz matter more than '6 cores'

With both the 4690K @ 4.5Ghz and the Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.9Ghz my GTX 1070 was bottle-necked.

This is 1080P with all AA settings turned off.

The 4690K @ 4.5Ghz: Min 99 FPS - Avr 139 FPS

Spoiler

The Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.9Ghz: Min 117 FPS - Avr 152 FPS

Spoiler

So the Ryzen 5 1600 is faster even in this very old game, by some 18% on the minimums.

In 3D productivity workloads its literally twice as fast.

Telling fibs is not a good way to try and win an argument, or save face.

 

[kitfit1]

There is no argument, or any face to save humbug. That is not a Google reverse Image search result anyway, it's just an image search. Do it properly. Those images come up hundreds of times on Google reverse image Search and even more on Tineye.
It's what i expected and i'm not calling you out for it................................ok................do you get that ? As i said earlier though, if you really want to make a case for a bench.....................then just don't use other peeps benchies in a post...............use your own. You never claimed they were your benchies when you posted them and all of them get loads of hits on Tineye and Google reverse Image.

 

[Zeed]

Yep, but it costs more.


Yep, but the 4c/4t cost more.

Nope My ryzen build COST ME MORE tha 5820k due to Ram... 5820k is faster with 80 quid cheaper ram FACT I ******* had both max overclocked. Ryzen is Faster in Workloads due to 2 extra cores than my 5820k was and that was reason I upgraded cause i produce videos.

even went to check my orders

749 INCLUDING 250 quid for ram vs 694 no ram just block !!! so would need to add 200 quid extra to my Ryzen build for Memory. MAkes it 900 quid give or take 150 more than Intel build.
that memory kit costs 160 quid today and memory kit in using today is 240 Again

Always Said 5820k WAS A STEAL !!!! 289 quid for cpu vs 325 both lunch date prices.


As I see it AMD with Zen+ just cought up with intel's tech from 4 years ago.

Quick Ebay check 5820k+motherboard ATM is 300 quid. I would take that over 1600 ryzen ANYTIME.

 

[sideways14a]

I have a 5820k @ 4.5 on water and its a great cpu, imho intels best for many a year and still a top bit of silicon.
I wont be replacing it until next year, hopefully with the next AMD iteration of ryzen as the upgrade to say a 2700 wouldnt be enough of a jump.

 

[Zeed]

I have a 5820k @ 4.5 on water and its a great cpu, imho intels best for many a year and still a top bit of silicon.
I wont be replacing it until next year, hopefully with the next AMD iteration of ryzen as the upgrade to say a 2700 wouldnt be enough of a jump.

Nope Wait for Full on Zen 2 not Zen +
Beter clocker i see mine would not do 4.5 no matter volts. hows IMC ??

 

[DragonQ]

Nope My ryzen build COST ME MORE tha 5820k due to Ram... 5820k is faster with 80 quid cheaper ram FACT I ******* had both max overclocked. Ryzen is Faster in Workloads due to 2 extra cores than my 5820k was and that was reason I upgraded cause i produce videos.

even went to check my orders

749 INCLUDING 250 quid for ram vs 694 no ram just block !!! so would need to add 200 quid extra to my Ryzen build for Memory. MAkes it 900 quid give or take 150 more than Intel build.
that memory kit costs 160 quid today and memory kit in using today is 240 Again

Always Said 5820k WAS A STEAL !!!! 289 quid for cpu vs 325 both lunch date prices.


As I see it AMD with Zen+ just cought up with intel's tech from 4 years ago.

Quick Ebay check 5820k+motherboard ATM is 300 quid. I would take that over 1600 ryzen ANYTIME.

lol wtf are you talking about? The comparison was with the R5 1600, not the (more expensive) R7 1700X. That i7-5820K was definitely a bargain though for that month or two when it was that cheap.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

About prior purchases

I think you have forgetten how much weaker the pound has gotten when compared to a few years ago.

The pound was worth $1.62 in September 2014 when you bought your Core i7 5820K:

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/b...ound-to-us-dollar-exchange-rate-on-2014-09-30

Its worth $1.40 in todays money. So when you bought that Intel setup the pound was worth 16% more in value.

Hexus puts the Core i7 5820K at $389(excluding VAT)during launch:

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/76649-intel-core-i7-5930k-22nm-haswell/

Now how much was the Ryzen 5 1600 RRP?? $219 dollars.

Lets now consider the Ryzen 5 1600 has a decentish stock cooler and the Core i7 5820K has none,so more cost. Basically a Ryzen 5 1600,motherboard,cooler,RX570 4GB and RAM cost less than what you paid for your Core i7 based rig when it launched and the pound was EVEN WEAKER at the time at around $1.25 which was a massive 30% more in 2014. I know because I helped out with some builds last year.

Then the need for 4 DIMM matched sets,and OFC the X99 motherboards were over £150.

Before all the silliness with RAM,I remember doing a new Ryzen 5 1600 including a B350 motherboard for £290,ie,the price of your Core i7 5820K alone,when the pound was 30% stronger and with no cooler.

Plus you have forgotten how expensive CPUs like the Core i7 5960X and Core i7 6900K were otherwise you probably would have not changed platforms.

 

[BongoHunter]

IMO i7 on X99 was HEDT from lauch with a price to match - the AMD equivelent of that would be X399 platform, not Ryzen 5/7

 

[sideways14a]

Nope Wait for Full on Zen 2 not Zen +
Beter clocker i see mine would not do 4.5 no matter volts. hows IMC ??

Yes thats what i mean, + is not big enough of a jump for me .. that said if those benchmarks are true then its not a bad improvement over 1st gen

 

[andy_mk3]

Yes thats what i mean, + is not big enough of a jump for me .. that said if those benchmarks are true then its not a bad improvement over 1st gen

I'm feeling the same. The improvements are good, but not enough, especially with the cost of a complete platform upgrade with costs of DDR4.

 

[TheSwede]

I'm feeling the same. The improvements are good, but not enough, especially with the cost of a complete platform upgrade with costs of DDR4.

Out of curiosity, if you don't mind me asking ?? For one that is still using an old board and DDR3 memory, would you recommend the new Ryzen 2 or the older ones, if going for the Ryzen's CPU I mean ?? It be mostly for gaming and normal all day PC usage.

 

[humbug]

There is no argument, or any face to save humbug. That is not a Google reverse Image search result anyway, it's just an image search. Do it properly. Those images come up hundreds of times on Google reverse image Search and even more on Tineye.
It's what i expected and i'm not calling you out for it................................ok................do you get that ? As i said earlier though, if you really want to make a case for a bench.....................then just don't use other peeps benchies in a post...............use your own. You never claimed they were your benchies when you posted them and all of them get loads of hits on Tineye and Google reverse Image.

Instead of repeating yourself why don't you actually post a link to prove your claim? because you're lying, this is a "Google reverse Image search result"

https://www.google.com/search?tbs=s...zBjwVGMl24k71ToEXyK2fmfym6qJ46SRodLB&hl=en-GB

Same thing, the only result that comes back with that image is the one i posted 3 months ago on Jan 29.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-1800x-vs-8700k.18808730/page-5#post-31559835

Your accusation is a fraud.

 

[humbug]

Instead of repeating yourself why don't you actually post a link to prove your claim? because you're lying, this is a "Google reverse Image search result"

https://www.google.com/search?tbs=s...zBjwVGMl24k71ToEXyK2fmfym6qJ46SRodLB&hl=en-GB

Same thing, the only result that comes back with that image is the one i posted 3 months ago on Jan 29.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-1800x-vs-8700k.18808730/page-5#post-31559835

Your accusation is a fraud.

This is the Tineye result...

https://www.tineye.com/search/f264b43cbc54df6ad85b69fa0379854fee165fff/

I think i know whats happened, you uploaded the image, it came up with 4 pages of results that look similar, they are all Dirt Showdown screenshots, and that was it, you thought "YES! gotya" but didn't actually look at any of these images did you? they are are variations of Dirt Showdown Result images but only the ones i posted actually match....

Look at them, actually look at them.

But then, why did you post these links?

They are my screenshots, i made them. that should be obvious from the original post with them in it. wow...

 

[andy_mk3]

Out of curiosity, if you don't mind me asking ?? For one that is still using an old board and DDR3 memory, would you recommend the new Ryzen 2 or the older ones, if going for the Ryzen's CPU I mean ?? It be mostly for gaming and normal all day PC usage.

There's no doubt a Ryzen will give you improvements over an older quad core, but it depends on exactly what you run as to how much of a difference it will make. Also whether the cost of upgrading is worth the performance bump you would get. My PC will run pretty much any game at max settings in excess of 60fps at 1440p, but I know an upgrade would make the performance smoother, like the minimum frame rates. But I'm struggling to justify the cost of replacing it.

 

[kitfit1]

Yes, your right humbug........................and yes i fully apologize. I wasn't lying and had no intention of lying. In fact there would be no reason for me to. At the time i had a bee in my bonet about peeps, and yes you in particular, posting up other peeps results to back up your own thoughts. That, i have no need to apologize for. And still believe you and others just stop doing it.
If anyone has a claim to make about performance, then just just balls it out and do it yourself. Over the years i have made many claims:

E8600 5ghz stable:

These are just some. The point is though.....................they are mine and not taken off the net just to prove a point in a pointless argument.

I really do wish we would all go back to just posting our own results rather copy/ paste someone else''s.

 

[TheSwede]

There's no doubt a Ryzen will give you improvements over an older quad core, but it depends on exactly what you run as to how much of a difference it will make. Also whether the cost of upgrading is worth the performance bump you would get. My PC will run pretty much any game at max settings in excess of 60fps at 1440p, but I know an upgrade would make the performance smoother, like the minimum frame rates. But I'm struggling to justify the cost of replacing it.

Thanks, appreciate your reply. I'll make a post in the *Upgrade advice* section later and see what you experts gives for advice in that regard. Was just curious if I should wait until the Ryzen 2 was out, or if it is not that much improvement over the old one, go for one of those and (hopefully) keep the cost a bit lower that way.

 

[kitfit1]

Here's a very interesting comparison, note that the only difference is the date, ram speed and timings :Oh...................and the ram itself of course.

 

[sideways14a]

What was the single thread cinebench run on that chaps system, 178 ? Thats pretty good and was at something like 4.25Ghz
Think 180s easily gonna happen maybe even with a stock setup and xfr actually doing something, thats right on top of the intel stuff.