Ryzen "2" ?

[chrcoluk]

For new games i could understand that argument, but i thought old games, 6 year old games don't use more than 4 cores?

Not necessarily, some old games will use whatever cores are available.

Likewise some new games are single, dual threaded only.

Depends on the developer's, how they code the game.

It is more likely that older games wont use all cores, but its not a given.

Any gain is also usually only from extra real cores, gaming workloads typically dont really benefit from logical cores unless there is heavy threaded locking going on.

 

[humbug]

Not necessarily, some old games will use whatever cores are available.

Likewise some new games are single, dual threaded only.

Depends on the developer's, how they code the game.

It is more likely that older games wont use all cores, but its not a given.

Any gain is also usually only from extra real cores, gaming workloads typically dont really benefit from logical cores unless there is heavy threaded locking going on.

So that whole argument has always been BS.

 

[chrcoluk]

It depends on the games you play really.

I play a lot of JRPG's, and JRPG dev's are not very good pc developers.

Also tho my desktop workload uses apps thats love per core performance, the only desktop apps I have used that scale performance with cores/threads are benchmarking apps like cinebench. But I dont encode videos.

 

[humbug]

It depends on the games you play really.

I play a lot of JRPG's, and JRPG dev's are not very good pc developers.

Also tho my desktop workload uses apps thats love per core performance, the only desktop apps I have used that scale performance with cores/threads are benchmarking apps like cinebench. But I dont encode videos.

Cinebench is not just a benchmarking application, its a performance gauging tool for Cinema4D, a 3D creation and rendering application like 3DSMax, Blender, Maya, Rhino3D, ZBrush, Substance Designer..... all these applications and many more besides use all available cores.

 

[chrcoluk]

Still the same for me, for me its purpose is a benchmarking tool, but it benchmarks a workload that has no relevance to me. I dont encode, I also dont do CPU rendering, at least not rendering that needs to max out all my cores. Its limited to things like rendering video clips.

 

[humbug]

Still the same for me, for me its purpose is a benchmarking tool, but it benchmarks a workload that has no relevance to me. I dont encode, I also dont do CPU rendering, at least not rendering that needs to max out all my cores. Its limited to things like rendering video clips.

No argument from me but that's you, its not me, i need the performance my CPU has to offer. since you are not trying to sell me Intel and i'm not trying to sell you AMD there is no point in us even having this conversation.

 

[Zeed]

I think you have forgetten how much weaker the pound has gotten when compared to a few years ago.

The pound was worth $1.62 in September 2014 when you bought your Core i7 5820K:

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/b...ound-to-us-dollar-exchange-rate-on-2014-09-30

Its worth $1.40 in todays money. So when you bought that Intel setup the pound was worth 16% more in value.

Hexus puts the Core i7 5820K at $389(excluding VAT)during launch:

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/76649-intel-core-i7-5930k-22nm-haswell/

Now how much was the Ryzen 5 1600 RRP?? $219 dollars.

Lets now consider the Ryzen 5 1600 has a decentish stock cooler and the Core i7 5820K has none,so more cost. Basically a Ryzen 5 1600,motherboard,cooler,RX570 4GB and RAM cost less than what you paid for your Core i7 based rig when it launched and the pound was EVEN WEAKER at the time at around $1.25 which was a massive 30% more in 2014. I know because I helped out with some builds last year.

Then the need for 4 DIMM matched sets,and OFC the X99 motherboards were over £150.

Before all the silliness with RAM,I remember doing a new Ryzen 5 1600 including a B350 motherboard for £290,ie,the price of your Core i7 5820K alone,when the pound was 30% stronger and with no cooler.

Plus you have forgotten how expensive CPUs like the Core i7 5960X and Core i7 6900K were otherwise you probably would have not changed platforms.

I think you have forgetten how much weaker the pound has gotten when compared to a few years ago.

The pound was worth $1.62 in September 2014 when you bought your Core i7 5820K:

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/b...ound-to-us-dollar-exchange-rate-on-2014-09-30

Its worth $1.40 in todays money. So when you bought that Intel setup the pound was worth 16% more in value.

Hexus puts the Core i7 5820K at $389(excluding VAT)during launch:

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/76649-intel-core-i7-5930k-22nm-haswell/

Now how much was the Ryzen 5 1600 RRP?? $219 dollars.

Lets now consider the Ryzen 5 1600 has a decentish stock cooler and the Core i7 5820K has none,so more cost. Basically a Ryzen 5 1600,motherboard,cooler,RX570 4GB and RAM cost less than what you paid for your Core i7 based rig when it launched and the pound was EVEN WEAKER at the time at around $1.25 which was a massive 30% more in 2014. I know because I helped out with some builds last year.

Then the need for 4 DIMM matched sets,and OFC the X99 motherboards were over £150.

Before all the silliness with RAM,I remember doing a new Ryzen 5 1600 including a B350 motherboard for £290,ie,the price of your Core i7 5820K alone,when the pound was 30% stronger and with no cooler.

Plus you have forgotten how expensive CPUs like the Core i7 5960X and Core i7 6900K were otherwise you probably would have not changed platforms.

I only jumped cause BW-E turned out **** was hoping for upgrade not sidegrade.
But tbh I got disappointed by 1700x expected MORE overclocking room with my cooling.... Was hoping for 4.2 like i had on Phenom 1090t
DAT SALT when it turned out to be slower in every single game :S Best upgrade ever LOL

But I still got hope for Zen2 Zen + could not be worth it depends on proce. Well As mentioned Ill order 2700 (not getting sucked in to X again) Or ill just see what offers on binned ryzen cpus will be. ATM have not played single game over a week
Out raving and spending money on my 350z

 

[Phage]

There's no doubt a Ryzen will give you improvements over an older quad core, but it depends on exactly what you run as to how much of a difference it will make. Also whether the cost of upgrading is worth the performance bump you would get. My PC will run pretty much any game at max settings in excess of 60fps at 1440p, but I know an upgrade would make the performance smoother, like the minimum frame rates. But I'm struggling to justify the cost of replacing it.

For the comparison on a 4770k to a 1700x in BF1.
https://forums.hexus.net/cpus/376546-4770k-4-3-1700x-3-8-bf1.html

 

[Zeed]

For the comparison on a 4770k to a 1700x in BF1.
https://forums.hexus.net/cpus/376546-4770k-4-3-1700x-3-8-bf1.html

Lets face it Frostbite engine been BEST MULTI GPU and MULTI CORE engine for last hmmm 5-6 years ??
If all engines ware so good ryzen and Xfire/SLI would deiver epic fps.

Sadly Its not the case not in 7/10 games or so.

Other thing is that 4770k ware plain **** clockers since intel binned them for 4790 DC if You dont remember.

TBH better would be comparing 6600k vs 1700x gotta remember 4770k was FOUR YEARS OLD when 1700x came out !!!!


TL:TR
Ryzen will always shine in games that can make use from 12/16 threads and will be crushed in games that can make use from more than 8 threads. And thats a FACT for productivity Ryzen wins thats why I got one:

Cant do this on 4 core intel even on 5820k could not do this
I'm very happy with Ryzen but if I could afford Binned 5.1 8700k platform I would go for it

 

[killem]

For the comparison on a 4770k to a 1700x in BF1.
https://forums.hexus.net/cpus/376546-4770k-4-3-1700x-3-8-bf1.html

Thanks a lot for posting your findings between the 2 CPU's. I currently have the 4770k and really wanted to know if it was worth swapping to to ryzen+ in a new build or just strip out my watercooling loop and replace my room heating 290x with a good quiet 1070ti and put a quiet AIO on the 4770k.

After your results I will most likely do a complete new build.

 

[psychas]

i still think ryzen needs to get somewhere close to 180+ 190 single thread then it should be beast , atm i'm getting 190 with 4790k

 

[HeX]

https://videocardz.com/75725/asus-x470-rog-strix-prime-motherboards-leaked

https://videocardz.com/75736/msi-x470-gaming-m7-pro-plus-motherboards-leaked

https://videocardz.com/75753/asrock-x470-taichi-taichi-ultimate-leaked

 

[humbug]

https://videocardz.com/75725/asus-x470-rog-strix-prime-motherboards-leaked

https://videocardz.com/75736/msi-x470-gaming-m7-pro-plus-motherboards-leaked

Good looking boards, nice to see they haven't just rehashed the old ones.

 

[HeX]

Looks to be a full range coming out at launch, and that they've actually put some time into them this time around!

 

[BongoHunter]

Really wish Supermicro would put out an AM4 workstation board - I can't help but feel that way to much time / effort / money is being put into the look of the boards by the current lot, they are all very "gamery"

Give me a nice plain green board with no RGB or fancy shield cover things, PCIE bifurication, ECC support, IPMI and well tested BIOS's...

A board that support registered dimms would be nice too - we are currently motherboard limited on AM4 to 64GB - the CPU can support more than this, on TR4 we are limited to 128 GB by the motherboards, surely a TR4 workstation board that supports RDIMMs would have a market...

 

[Steveocee]

Another day, another disappointment as nothing is announced.

 

[HeX]

Doubt we'll get any kind of announcement until close to release date now.

 

[jigger]

Really wish Supermicro would put out an AM4 workstation board - I can't help but feel that way to much time / effort / money is being put into the look of the boards by the current lot, they are all very "gamery"

Give me a nice plain green board with no RGB or fancy shield cover things, PCIE bifurication, ECC support, IPMI and well tested BIOS's...

A board that support registered dimms would be nice too - we are currently motherboard limited on AM4 to 64GB - the CPU can support more than this, on TR4 we are limited to 128 GB by the motherboards, surely a TR4 workstation board that supports RDIMMs would have a market...

You can get most of that on AM4, but the cost of 4x32GB sticks of DDR4 would probably make a TR4 board and an 1900X a much better option.

 

[BongoHunter]

You can get most of that on AM4, but the cost of 4x32GB sticks of DDR4 would probably make a TR4 board and an 1900X a much better option.

I don't think you can get unbuffered DIMMs in 32GB yet - only Registered DIMMS, no AM4 or TR4 boards have been released yet that support these AFAIK

Some boards support ECC - but its very hit and miss on AM4 (Asrock PRO series seems to be the best bet for this)

Not found a board yet with IPMI

And I've only seen TR4 boards with PCIE Bifurication - not seen any AM4 ones advertising this yet?

 

[Hotwired]

Another day, another disappointment as nothing is announced.

It's like kids in a car.

Lets go somewhere. It'll take X hours.

X-Y hours in, cue whinging that we're not there yet.