Ryzen "2" ?

[eddiew]

Gigabyte or ASRock, Gigabyte or ASRock mate

Even then your mileage may vary. My Gigabyte board is a stinking heap of *****. Gets worse with every bios update; savage overvolting and memory speed is lower now than last year! I'm too scared to try to rollback because last time I did the bios it spent 30 minutes in a bootloop before finally waking up

Roll on next gen chipsets, can't wait to get off this dog's egg. Fingers crossed for a nice ASRock mATX

 

[EsaT]

It's possibly the first BIG upgrade (cores and better single) than the older Intel (sandy-haswell) rigs a lot are still sat on. Obviously the coffee lakes cover it too but... I've certainly been quite tired of little movement to look forward to

And compared to Intel's "mandatory new motherboard for not really architecturally improved CPU" upgrade chance in couple years would be fresh air.
Too bad memory prices are PITA at the moment.
Well, guess at least staying in current 16GB amount would be acceptable...

Hopefully £329 isn't the final MSRP, as 8700k is cheaper.

Unless actually capable to matching 8700K in single core performance with high speed memory AMD knows pricing has to be competitive.
And brand blindness of people means that even with same performance AMD would have to price it little under.

My Gigabyte board is a stinking heap of *****. Gets worse with every bios update; savage overvolting and memory speed is lower now than last year!

But isn't that what "advance" of marketroids means in reality?

 

[nashathedog]

Unless actually capable to matching 8700K in single core performance with high speed memory AMD knows pricing has to be competitive.
And brand blindness of people means that even with same performance AMD would have to price it little under.

We already know the 2700x won't match an 8700k's gaming performance. Ryzen is quite a bit behind most of the time and all we're getting here is a clock bump. It'll help but we'll still be trailing behind.

 

[Glanza]

With the pricing being announced if the refresh chips are a decent step up in performance from my 1700 then I'll be dropping a new chip in.

 

[Zeed]

400 series Chipsets may have a couple of features the 300 doesn't.

Its perhaps window re-dressing so Motherboard Vendors has reason to market new Motherboards along with the new CPU's, since they ain't necessary.

You get TWO new features that dont work when You overclock :/

Some hints from Elmor
Vcore/SOC bulk capacitance is roughly the same except C7H has additional MLCCs

C6H/E BIOS with latest AGESA will be earliest next week, sorry for the delays. Upcoming boards have been taking up much of our time. The good news is that there's overlap in the BIOS development, meaning that some of the new things we've added to C7H will also be supported on C6H/E.


I know they tried/sorted vrm noise affecting DDR overclocking by adding extra shielding moving some components about

 

[Zeed]

We already know the 2700x won't match an 8700k's gaming performance. Ryzen is quite a bit behind most of the time and all we're getting here is a clock bump. It'll help but we'll still be trailing behind.

Yup overclocked Zen+ is on pair with overclocked Haswell if it goes for Single thread.

Quite hyoped 2 get my hands on 2700 even if it will be just for few days to see how it is Ill put some serious volts in it for test on my mega water loop hehe

 

[kitfit1]

@Zeed, is "I know they tried/sorted vrm noise affecting DDR overclocking by adding extra shielding moving some components about " Is that a quote from Elmor ? or is that your thought ?
Asking because the ability to dumb VRM noise has been in the CH6 bios for ages and ages.

 

[pastymuncher]

Yup overclocked Zen+ is on pair with overclocked Haswell if it goes for Single thread.

If that's true then no point in jumping ship for me because single core performance is everything for the games I play. It sad that they are still so far behind in single core performance. Maybe Ryzen 3 then.

 

[jigger]

If that's true then no point in jumping ship for me because single core performance is everything for the games I play. It sad that they are still so far behind in single core performance. Maybe Ryzen 3 then.

We see a few percent IPC separate all the usual suspects. All of Intels chips from the last 5 years, maybe 7 have been the same chip and will be until 2021.

If single core performance is all that matters,

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...e-socket-lga2066-processor-oem-cp-009-oe.html

 

[EsaT]

We already know the 2700x won't match an 8700k's gaming performance. Ryzen is quite a bit behind most of the time and all we're getting here is a clock bump. It'll help but we'll still be trailing behind.

Cache/memory latency improvements would boost single thread performance some even without clock speed increase.
In heavily multithreaded use those delays are mostly masked by executing other threads.
But for loads depending on one or two primary threads (most games) minimizing length of those "stalls" is important.

So with proper motherboard supporting all Ryzen 2's finer core clock boosts Intel's advantage should shrink decently.
Anyway that Canard PC magazine's review used slow 2400MHz memories making it bad for telling Ryzen 2's gaming potential.
(communication between Ryzen's internal modules being locked to memory clock)

 

[humbug]

I wish people would stop banging on about Ryzen 2### gaming performance when not BUT a single leak about that has surfaced yet, the only thing we know (THE ONLY) thing we know about gaming performance is CanardPC posted a result where the Ryzen 2700X was 13% behind the 8700K and said its 5 to 8% faster on their X470 Motherboard but claimed it was cheating so didn't post it.

That doesn't sound like "Haswell performance" to me, i had a Haswell CPU before i UP GRADED to the 1600 and when i posted actual results of my own gaming performance difference testing some people went completely off the deep end at me for daring to do so.....

What is it with some people?

 

[jigger]

I wish people would stop banging on about Ryzen 2### gaming performance when not BUT a single leak about that has surfaced yet, the only thing we know (THE ONLY) thing we know about gaming performance is CanardPC posted a result where the Ryzen 2700X was 13% behind the 8700K and said its 5 to 8% faster on their X470 Motherboard but claimed it was cheating so didn't post it.

That doesn't sound like "Haswell performance" to me, i had a Haswell CPU before i UP GRADED to the 1600 and when i posted actual results of my own gaming performance difference testing some people went completely off the deep end at me for daring to do so.....

What is it with some people?

It would be a cold day in hell before I'd swap my Ryzen system for Coffeelake, nevermind Haswell.

 

[4K8KW10]

It would be a cold day in hell before I'd swap my Ryzen system for Coffeelake, nevermind Haswell.

No sane person ever would prefer 12 threads over 16 threads because of some games... That's childish. We are not children to play games
s

 

[muon]

I wish people would stop banging on about Ryzen 2### gaming performance when not BUT a single leak about that has surfaced yet, the only thing we know (THE ONLY) thing we know about gaming performance is CanardPC posted a result where the Ryzen 2700X was 13% behind the 8700K and said its 5 to 8% faster on their X470 Motherboard but claimed it was cheating so didn't post it.

That doesn't sound like "Haswell performance" to me, i had a Haswell CPU before i UP GRADED to the 1600 and when i posted actual results of my own gaming performance difference testing some people went completely off the deep end at me for daring to do so.....

What is it with some people?

Lol. We also have AMDs early draft leaked slides which show it is behind.

Such a fanboy.

 

[4K8KW10]

Such a fanboy.

At least, AMD is not the company that relies to drive its sales on people's ignorance and lack of any knowledge. That's Intel's fanboys job to confuse the rest.

 

[Zeed]

I wish people would stop banging on about Ryzen 2### gaming performance when not BUT a single leak about that has surfaced yet, the only thing we know (THE ONLY) thing we know about gaming performance is CanardPC posted a result where the Ryzen 2700X was 13% behind the 8700K and said its 5 to 8% faster on their X470 Motherboard but claimed it was cheating so didn't post it.

That doesn't sound like "Haswell performance" to me, i had a Haswell CPU before i UP GRADED to the 1600 and when i posted actual results of my own gaming performance difference testing some people went completely off the deep end at me for daring to do so.....

What is it with some people?

I stay by my stand You posted 4 cores 4 threads vs 6 cores 12 threads. Want me to post my old 12 threads vs 16 threads ??

I had benchmarks gaming fps ect somewhere on my polish forums. Before i removed my HW build i eBenched few games and some benchmarks 2 compare.

 

[muon]

At least, AMD is not the company that relies to drive its sales on people's ignorance and lack of any knowledge. That's Intel's fanboys job to confuse the rest.

I have owned and used for extended periods of time a 1600X, 1700, 1700X and 2400G. I know ryzen performance very well and think it is good. But I won't put up with blatant bias.

Someone like humbug will forget all the times they were wrong and wait for the single time they manage to get things right and hammer that into you.

It really isn't difficult to estimate Ryzen 2700X performance and all leaks line up almost perfectly.

I equally gave gavin stick for going by his single experience (where he was pushing memory too hard for the time) to extrapolate the experience everyone else was getting. Also where he was overly focusing on specific use cases to say Ryzen was bad.

 

[nashathedog]

I wish people would stop banging on about Ryzen 2### gaming performance when not BUT a single leak about that has surfaced yet, the only thing we know (THE ONLY) thing we know about gaming performance is CanardPC posted a result where the Ryzen 2700X was 13% behind the 8700K and said its 5 to 8% faster on their X470 Motherboard but claimed it was cheating so didn't post it.

That doesn't sound like "Haswell performance" to me, i had a Haswell CPU before i UP GRADED to the 1600 and when i posted actual results of my own gaming performance difference testing some people went completely off the deep end at me for daring to do so.....

What is it with some people?

I think you need to take a chill pill to stop getting so wound up when an opinion different to yours is voiced, I also moved from Haswell (4790k) to Ryzen (1600x) and while my gaming performance didn't get any better with Ryzen, it wasn't any worse so I was content to wait and see what improvement I'd get from swapping out my 1600x for a refreshed Ryzen 8 core. So far it looks like there won't be a gaming performance leap that can compete with Coffeelake's K core i5 & i7, The leaked pricing is a dead give away and being told that to get the best out of the 2***'s we will need to change the motherboard is a tad annoying, as not needing to update was part of the original sales pitch and while that's still true being told that you'll not be getting all you could out of the chip if you don't upgrade the board leaves a sour taste. Sadly there's been a lot of that with AMD over the last year. But, I look forward to doing my own 1600x v 2700x comparisons once the new chips release and I'll post the results here when they're done.

 

[Zeed]

I dug ub something better that AFAIK no one at OCUK got

Used to have my athlon xp and athlon 64 also but died with ******* seagate hdd :S
Phenom X3 was on Air cant remember clock was sooo many years ago
Phenom 1090T 4.23 cant remember memory
Sandy at 5.0 with 2133 memory
HW-E 4.45 with 2666 memory
And My ryzen ofc

 

[nashathedog]

Cache/memory latency improvements would boost single thread performance some even without clock speed increase.
In heavily multithreaded use those delays are mostly masked by executing other threads.
But for loads depending on one or two primary threads (most games) minimizing length of those "stalls" is important.

So with proper motherboard supporting all Ryzen 2's finer core clock boosts Intel's advantage should shrink decently.
Anyway that Canard PC magazine's review used slow 2400MHz memories making it bad for telling Ryzen 2's gaming potential.
(communication between Ryzen's internal modules being locked to memory clock)

I'm using the 8pack 3200mhz memory with my 1600x so if i do a straight CPU swap it'll be interesting to see how it differs,

Yup overclocked Zen+ is on pair with overclocked Haswell if it goes for Single thread.

Quite hyped 2 get my hands on 2700 even if it will be just for few days to see how it is Ill put some serious volts in it for test on my mega water loop hehe

Remember to post your results here once you're done, I'll be doing the same myself.