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Ryzen 2600 vs i5 8400, intresting reults

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About 40 games benchmarked with a couple of things that are unexpected, even interesting.

Out of the box as you might expect the 8400 is faster pretty much across the board, and i have to admit sometimes by quite a lot, more than i would have thought.
But, overclocked the Ryzen 2600 is faster, pretty much across the board, sometimes much faster.
You might expect that if they are close out of the box but in most they are not, and i have to be honest i did not expect these huge gains from overclocking, when overclocked in some cases the 2600 gains 45% performance pushing it solidly ahead of the 8400.

But then looking at the settings of these two CPU's

Out of the box
Ryzen 2600 all core: 3.4Ghz + 2933Mhz Men
Core i5 8400 all core: 3.8Ghz + 2666Mhz Men

So out of the box the 8400 is clocked about 12% higher than the 2600, if the IPC is similar that does actually account for most of the difference in performance out of the box.

Overclocked
The 8400 is not overclockable
Ryzen 2600: 4.2Ghz + 3400Mhz Men (+24% Core + 16% Men)

So the 2600 basically gains 25% just from its overclock, thats a lot, it actually clocked very low out of the box and the +15% Mem... given how well Ryzen scales with memory that ~+45% actually makes a lot more sense when you know the numbers, so i'm quite impressed by it when overclocked.

But there is one other thing.

Arma III is one of those games that was particularly bad for Ryzen, its one of those old badly optimised games that primarily runs on one thread, i don't have any benchmarks to hand but it was one of those games where the 8400 would stomp all over the 2700X let alone the 2600.
Its just had a Ryzen optimisation patch, this is the result.

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So optimising for Ryzen here has made a huge difference, its gone from being way behind Intel in the form of the 8400 to equal performance and way ahead when overclocked.

I think this is interesting because Ryzen has been around for a year now and new games coming on tap should have been developed with Ryzen in mind.

 
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It would surely be more objective if the 2600 was tested with the same DDR4 2666 Ram as the 8400?

For a true apples for apples comparison yes i agree, i think the reason he used 2933Mhz on the Ryzen system is because that's its rated out of the box speed.
 
If it gained 45% when overclocked in any result it would make me question all results because that scaling is just wrong. It also means that the Ryzen 2600's an out and out bottleneck and pretty much validates Gavin's opinion when it comes to the 8700K looking forward with new GPU's.
 
Seeing them results I would take the £160 2600 over the £300+ 8700k and dabble in a bit of overclocking, never though i would see Zen besting Intel at 720p gaming with an 1080ti no less.
 
Seeing them results I would take the £160 2600 over the £300+ 8700k and dabble in a bit of overclocking, never though i would see Zen besting Intel at 720p gaming with an 1080ti no less.
Then you obviously lack objectivity (Then again, seeing you over the years, you flip/flop like a fish out of water)
The IPC difference is pretty small Zen+ versus Coffeelake, so if you're able to clock a couple hundred MHZ further there's no reason it wouldn't outperform the Intel.
 
Couldn't agree more with this comment I read as well "
For the price you pay for the premium ram, new cooler, and mobo for the ryzen 2600 oc, you can buy an i7 8700."

In order to get the best out of Ryzen you will always need expensive high speed RAM. Until RAM is cheap again Intel is still the better option for gaming.
 
If it gained 45% when overclocked in any result it would make me question all results because that scaling is just wrong. It also means that the Ryzen 2600's an out and out bottleneck and pretty much validates Gavin's opinion when it comes to the 8700K looking forward with new GPU's.

The biggest outlier was Star Wars Battlefront 2.

101 FPS vs 144 FPS overclocked, that's the only one over 30% difference, and thinking about it that's one where you have to play through the game to benchmark it, so its inconsistent, that may explain it.

Also, 720P with a GTX 1080TI, he did say they are all CPU bound at 720P
 
Couldn't agree more with this comment I read as well "
For the price you pay for the premium ram, new cooler, and mobo for the ryzen 2600 oc, you can buy an i7 8700."

In order to get the best out of Ryzen you will always need expensive high speed RAM. Until RAM is cheap again Intel is still the better option for gaming.

Except you can OC a 2600 on the stock cooler (or spend £20 on a semi decent tower cooler), 3200MHz ram is barely more expensive than low speed memory, and you can do this on a cheap B350 board with a bios flash...
 
Couldn't agree more with this comment I read as well "
For the price you pay for the premium ram, new cooler, and mobo for the ryzen 2600 oc, you can buy an i7 8700."

In order to get the best out of Ryzen you will always need expensive high speed RAM. Until RAM is cheap again Intel is still the better option for gaming.

The 8700K cost £160 more, the 2600 will run at 4.2Ghz on a £30 air cooler easily, you could do it on the stock cooler.... the 8Pack memory is £30 more than standard 3200Mhz memory.

Steve added it up, an 8400 setup would cost you $420, an overclocked 2600 with the fast ram $500 and for that you are getting higher gaming performance and much much higher productivity performance.

The truth is if you keep the stock cooler and get the fast ram the overclocked 2600 setup would cost you little more for a lot more bang. the 8400 doesn't even come with a box cooler.
 
Stop spreading fud the Intel CPU is clearly better because out of the box its just better, forget that you can turn Ryzen to 11, the Intel CPU is the better CPU because the box it comes in is blue and it has "Intel Inside" Logos and everything!!!!

Pfft AMD nonsense...
 
The 8400 is only just decent now, it wont last though.
Its more expensive than the 2600, needs a cooler, has dubious security issues,has potential for slowing down due to patches,is on a dead platform, only has 6 threads available and the big ding dong... is locked so no major overclocking.

The only thing keeping intel in the game at the moment is clock speed, and the 8400 doesn't have the luxury of the 8700k and its high clockabilty with 12 thread support.
 
Indeed, hence why i said needs a cooler :p:p:p:p:p

I don't understand the guff about stock coolers. I've used loads of Intel stock coolers over the years and they've been absolutely fine for running the CPU at stock. Obviously AMD's later ones are much better, but that's only making up for their abysmal ones during the prior generations that sounded like a hoover.
 
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