Ryzen 5600x vs 3700x

mickyflinn · 9 Oct 2020 at 10:10

Matmatty65 said:
Can I buy an msi b550 board from anywhere and then head to msi to claim the cash back?

You have to buy the cpu and motherboard from the same place in one transaction, I believe.

They also have to be purchased from participating partners which are at the bottom of the page.

Always check the terms.

https://uk.msi.com/Promotion/back-to-school-2020#AMD-Motherboard

COYS · 9 Oct 2020 at 10:10

Slinky69 said:
You have to buy motherboard and CPU in the same transaction for the MSI offer, I believe.

That is correct. Same transaction.

Vince · 9 Oct 2020 at 10:23

FoxEye said:
But it might not. 8 Zen2 cores vs 6 Zen3 cores isn't going to be anywhere near as clear-cut as 8 Jaguar cores (low power laptop jobbies) vs 6 Zen1/2 cores.

There may be times when your 6 Zen3 cores give a worse experience than 8 Zen2 cores.

Especially given the amount of CPU cycles Windows 10 will gobble up. Which is a lot

Or game streaming if you're one of those guys.

6 zen 2 cores (3600) matches 8 zen cores in the 2700x - I upgraded the wifes machine from 2700x to 3600 and the 3600 beats the 2700x in gaming pretty much across the board and basically matches it in production. I think 6 zen 3 cores is plenty for the next few years at the very least.

mickyflinn · 9 Oct 2020 at 10:34

COYS said:
That is correct. Same transaction.

Has to be participating partners also.

clv101 · 9 Oct 2020 at 10:38

Vince said:
I think 6 zen 3 cores is plenty for the next few years at the very least.

Agreed.

Firegod · 9 Oct 2020 at 16:34

Nothing wrong with 6 cores. I've been gaming for 2 years on a 2600x and it's been great. Window 10 also perfectly zippy and fast. And I'll be moving to the 5600x. People shouldn't really comment unless you've owned both (i.e. 6 Cores, then moved to 8 Cores). Some real drivel being spouted around on threads at the moment. And if the 5600x lasts as long as my 2600x (2-3 years) even better.

Reality|Bites · 9 Oct 2020 at 16:44

Why MSI? I really dislike them...still sour from my Athlon 64 days.

clv101 · 9 Oct 2020 at 17:08

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Reality|Bites said:
Why MSI? I really dislike them...still sour from my Athlon 64 days.

The current MSI boards are great - and there's decent cashback.

Joxeon · 9 Oct 2020 at 17:20

I would stick my neck out and say that an overclocked 10600k will still be faster than a 5600X since the 300mhz higher boosting 5950X was only 5% ahead of a stock 10900k in most games although I'd probably still go for a 3700X as its extra cores may prove useful in the upcoming games, it's also cheaper and comes with a better cooler.

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 17:33

Firegod said:
Nothing wrong with 6 cores. I've been gaming for 2 years on a 2600x and it's been great. Window 10 also perfectly zippy and fast. And I'll be moving to the 5600x. People shouldn't really comment unless you've owned both (i.e. 6 Cores, then moved to 8 Cores). Some real drivel being spouted around on threads at the moment. And if the 5600x lasts as long as my 2600x (2-3 years) even better.

How does your 6 core perform in next-gen games targeting PS5 and XSX?

Would be very interested to hear all about it. Plus detailed schematics for your time machine.

spolsh · 9 Oct 2020 at 18:30

FoxEye said:
How does your 6 core perform in next-gen games targeting PS5 and XSX?

Would be very interested to hear all about it. Plus detailed schematics for your time machine.

Which games for the PS5 and XSX can be bought now ? Oh yeah .. there aren't any yet.

benparker · 9 Oct 2020 at 18:36

muon said:
Not even a contest for gaming. IPC is king. 5600X is what you want.

Can you explain IPC to a layman. Does that have any impact when it comes to emulators?

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 18:43

spolsh said:
Which games for the PS5 and XSX can be bought now ? Oh yeah .. there aren't any yet.

Precisely. So nobody can say a 6-core running Widows 10 and all the other crap that they have in the background will be plenty in the next 12-24 months.

Which is what people *are* saying. "A 6-core is all you need." "A 6-core is more than enough for gaming." Etc.

Firegod · 9 Oct 2020 at 18:59

FoxEye said:
How does your 6 core perform in next-gen games targeting PS5 and XSX?

Would be very interested to hear all about it. Plus detailed schematics for your time machine.

Eh what you smoking? It's been fine for 2 years and I can't suddenly see why you think it's some how going to just hit a cliff performance wise, and be unusable. Looking at Cyberpunk specs which is probably the next "big" game to come out I have no reason to worry. You're an idiot who is talking complete nonsense. To come out and say a 5600X is not going to cut it... so where is your time machine and evidence for that unsubstantiated claim.

And ignore!

FoxEye · 9 Oct 2020 at 19:06

Firegod said:
Eh what you smoking? It's been fine for 2 years and I can't suddenly see why you think it's some how going to just hit a cliff performance wise, and be unusable. Looking at Cyberpunk specs which is probably the next "big" game to come out I have no reason to worry. You're an idiot who is talking complete nonsense. To come out and say a 5600X is not going to cut it... so where is your time machine and evidence for that unsubstantiated claim.

And ignore!

So we're just going to ignore the next-gen consoles raising the performance of the lead platforms for future games.. Raising the baseline.

Yup, we'll just ignore that completely.

"A 6-core was always fine in the past therefore it must be fine in the future."

Did you say the same about quad cores? Dual cores? How did that work out for you?

The_Arbiter · 9 Oct 2020 at 19:53

We're not going to get any next gen console games for a long while yet. So saving and waiting would be my argument.

OP, you can wait again for the next Zen 3s that are lightly to be released, when, no idea. Waiting will also give reduction in price. But i personally doubt the Zen 2 and Zen+ stuff will come down much at all after the recent lockdown demand. Impossible to tell when you get your 3070, so best to decide then imo.

Also have look into benchmarks if you're gaming at 2k+. May help decide what you want.

Tutan · 9 Oct 2020 at 21:15

Firegod said:
Nothing wrong with 6 cores. I've been gaming for 2 years on a 2600x and it's been great. Window 10 also perfectly zippy and fast. And I'll be moving to the 5600x. People shouldn't really comment unless you've owned both (i.e. 6 Cores, then moved to 8 Cores). Some real drivel being spouted around on threads at the moment. And if the 5600x lasts as long as my 2600x (2-3 years) even better.

Things are going to change from now on,with new consoles (which have same PC architecture) now having 8 cores,chances are new games will start to require 8 cores.

muon · 9 Oct 2020 at 21:27

Tutan said:
Things are going to change from now on,with new consoles (which have same PC architecture) now having 8 cores,chances are new games will start to require 8 cores.

Consoles don't even use (deliberate design) all 8 cores for gaming.

Tutan · 9 Oct 2020 at 21:34

muon said:
Consoles don't even use (deliberate design) all 8 cores for gaming.

Well there is a reason they put 8 cores in them.
console hardware is all about cost saving,they wouldn’t just put 8 cores cpu in them if they were not needed.

Drollic · 9 Oct 2020 at 21:37

If you don't upgrade often and want to virtually guarantee not to run into any fps lows that tank averages, I'd go 8/16 buying now.