Ryzen 5600x vs 3700x

[Mr Oblong]

Buildzoid's video was quite convincing on the gaming advantage of 5600X over 3700X. But how much will the consoles' Zen 2 8 cores stretch a faster 6 core?

 

[something else if possible]

Anyone else find it incredibly strange the names are so close to current gpu lineup!?

 

[Mr Oblong]

Anyone else find it incredibly strange the names are so close to current gpu lineup!?

I can't wait for the new 5700XT to come out!

 

[gpuerrilla]

So you guys are 100% confident there will be no difference between the 5600X and the 5800X in gaming then? Beyond a handful of FPS given the slight clock bump.

Let's say at 1440p as that's a nice middle ground.

From past form, I always would like more cores than is the on the box requirement. I also however am not a pure PC gamer, as in I use my machine to do more such as (in the past) rip movies, crunch science projects (GRID), work development or more recent history Mine crypto. So I always utilise more cores than the typical gaming person so to speak. The cheapest CPU that fit my criteria last year was the 3600, if I had no constraints (life costs i.e. house, kids, projects etc.) then I would probably get a threadripper and overkill it but basically every penny counts im afraid. But from research and in particular 4k or high quality 1440p games the GPU will take the brunt of it and you do not need a mammoth CPU to have a good build.

But it might not. 8 Zen2 cores vs 6 Zen3 cores isn't going to be anywhere near as clear-cut as 8 Jaguar cores (low power laptop jobbies) vs 6 Zen1/2 cores.

There may be times when your 6 Zen3 cores give a worse experience than 8 Zen2 cores.

Especially given the amount of CPU cycles Windows 10 will gobble up. Which is a lot

Or game streaming if you're one of those guys.

6 zen 2 cores (3600) matches 8 zen cores in the 2700x - I upgraded the wifes machine from 2700x to 3600 and the 3600 beats the 2700x in gaming pretty much across the board and basically matches it in production. I think 6 zen 3 cores is plenty for the next few years at the very least.

As @Vince perfectly pointed out its good enough. Consoles also dont use all cores like a typical PC so take it from that mantra in ported games its not going to equate to 8 cores like you hinted at is all Im saying more like 6 core i.e. 3600 --> 5600. No need for 8 core+ yet.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

From past form, I always would like more cores than is the on the box requirement. I also however am not a pure PC gamer, as in I use my machine to do more such as (in the past) rip movies, crunch science projects (GRID), work development or more recent history Mine crypto. So I always utilise more cores than the typical gaming person so to speak. The cheapest CPU that fit my criteria last year was the 3600, if I had no constraints (life costs i.e. house, kids, projects etc.) then I would probably get a threadripper and overkill it but basically every penny counts im afraid. But from research and in particular 4k or high quality 1440p games the GPU will take the brunt of it and you do not need a mammoth CPU to have a good build.





As @Vince perfectly pointed out its good enough. Consoles also dont use all cores like a typical PC so take it from that mantra in ported games its not going to equate to 8 cores like you hinted at is all Im saying more like 6 core i.e. 3600 --> 5600. No need for 8 core+ yet.

Sensible thinking, Sir. Having said that... my muppet brain still wants 8 cores for peace of mind. I don't know why....

 

[TNA]

I wouldn't buy a 6-core full stop.

Who'd want a gaming PC with less cores than the next-gen consoles? Yuck.

I would and still do. My 3600 is better than the cpu in the new consoles and never gets fully utilised at 4K60fps which is what I game at

It will do the job yet for another 18-24 months before I plonk a 5900X at around half the price in to my crappy X570 mobo

 

[Mr Oblong]

Are we just looking for console parity from our dedicated CPUs? I think high FPS gaming will be much harder for games running 30 FPS on the new consoles.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Sensible thinking, Sir. Having said that... my muppet brain still wants 8 cores for peace of mind. I don't know why....

If you can afford it then do it. I can also upgrade later on to catch up and sell off/repurpose so its not so bad.

Are we just looking for console parity from our dedicated CPUs? I think high FPS gaming will be much harder for games running 30 FPS on the new consoles.

Well exactly. If my cpu is the same as in the consoles yet Im getting >60 fps and teh consoles between 30-60fps then its again proof that my 6 core is ample.?

 

[Muller1989]

Decided to stick with the 3700x for now and get a 5700x if they come out.

 

[Mr Oblong]

Decided to stick with the 3700x for now and get a 5700x if they come out.

If you're already on a 3700X that's wise, the product stack and prices will be looking better in a few months

 

[gpuerrilla]

If you're already on a 3700X that's wise, the product stack and prices will be looking better in a few months

Didnt AMD release more value chips alongside the 3600 (some may have been restricted to OEM's or regions) which will probably happen again this time in a few months - worth waiting for options.

 

[silvagti]

Gonna be interesting to see the benchmarks comparing these two processors given the pricing parity. My iniital feeling is that the 5600X will be faster in general tasks and gaming with the extra cores of the 3700X giving it the edge in some multi-threaded tasks.

 

[Mr Oblong]

Didnt AMD release more value chips alongside the 3600 (some may have been restricted to OEM's or regions) which will probably happen again this time in a few months - worth waiting for options.

Yep they launched a whole bunch on day 1. Full details on Wikipedia- I double checked this the other day.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

If you can afford it then do it. I can also upgrade later on to catch up and sell off/repurpose so its not so bad.

Yea, I am 99% sure I'll go for it. 10700K is the frontrunner atm.

 

[Joxeon]

The only one of these new CPUs worth getting over zen 2 or intel is the 5900X as there are better/cheaper options around at the 6 and 8 core segment.

 

[clv101]

The only one of these new CPUs worth getting over zen 2 or intel is the 5900X as there are better/cheaper options around at the 6 and 8 core segment.

Looks like that... but I'd still chose the 5600X over Intel, lower power consumption is important too!

I wonder how much supply they really have? IF, they had priced inline with Zen 2, would they have been completely unable to meet global demand, and we'd have another 3080 situation all over again?! I think that would be worse than pricing them a bit high. Prices can always drop (lower priced products added) in the spring if they do turn out to be too high. It's not as if the 3600 and 3700X aren't still available at the more attractive price points.

 

[jigger]

The only one of these new CPUs worth getting over zen 2 or intel is the 5900X as there are better/cheaper options around at the 6 and 8 core segment.

They are all worth getting over Intel. The cache/core configuration on the 5800X and 5950X have a lot of potential. The 5800X should also have a lot of thermal headroom too.

 

[clv101]

The 5800X should also have a lot of thermal headroom too.

You think? Won't having 8 cores on a single CCX (instead of 6 or 2x6 for the 5600X and 5900X) mean the 5800X has a higher thermal density - harder to cool, less headroom? Or am I wrong about the architecture?

 

[Alex h]

They are all worth getting over Intel. The cache/core configuration on the 5800X and 5950X have a lot of potential. The 5800X should also have a lot of thermal headroom too.

I agree better option than intel at moment will be interesting to see proper benchmarks then people can make their mind up I'm thinking about the 5900x myself to replace my 3700x which I'll give my son

 

[muon]

You think? Won't having 8 cores on a single CCX (instead of 6 or 2x6 for the 5600X and 5900X) mean the 5800X has a higher thermal density - harder to cool, less headroom? Or am I wrong about the architecture?

CCX = CCD now.

Zen 2 has 8 cores on a single CCD anyway.

I don't think the Zen 3 will have extra thermal headroom. It is as thermally dense as Zen 2. The only difference is that the cache on the CCD has been combined.