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Ryzen 7 5800X3d vs Ryzen 7 7700 vs i5 13600KF

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Currently have a i7 8700k so no can't just drop in a 5800X3D it'd have to be a build just for it.

As for how long I'd be keeping it, I guess that sort of depends on what happens in the future and how it holds up. If we only get small increments I guess it could last a while, if there's a big jump (e.g. 3D VCache across the board) then it might feel like it needs updating sooner. I mean currently I'm about to retire a 4770K and with this upgrade a 3930K, so it's not unheard of that I'll hold on to it for a while (I have a sort of hand-me-down system where I shuffle stuff down into less used PCs).
I am tempted to wait for the new X3D chips, but I do worry that they'll be expensive or run hot or won't be OC-able (not the end of the world, but where's the fun in that). Maybe I skip this generation of X3D chips and wait for an 8000 series X3D chip (get a bit more use out of the 7700) assuming they be compatible with AM5 and the current chipsets.
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If it’s overclocking you are after get Intel.
 
the 5800X3D and 7700x are about on par when it comes to all the games i have seen, and there is defo life in the am5 socket, am4 is dead.
the life of the LGA1700 is dodgy at best with intel, some time you get 2 gens of cpu some times only 1....

i cant recommend buying am4 if you dont already have a board.

its lga1700 or am5, the choice is yours right now i would think intel is in front but at a cost... but like you said 8000 chips with 3D v cache could be very good
 
I mean I'm not a great OCer so it's not the end of the world for me. I just liked that it was an option for people with a bit of knowledge and the inclination to put the effort in and they they could get a bit of extra performance out of it (which probably doesn't make a huge difference outside of benchmarking).

I am thinking I might not bother with the X3D chips this gen. It will depend a bit on price (also heat as that'll determine if I need a new cooler) but I figure that sure you get a bit more performance in gaming but from the reviews I've been seeing suggest that CPU performance gap in games closes up with the better CPUs at 4K anyway. Maybe in a generation or 2 when GPUs handle 4K better it'll be worth upgrading the CPU.

I think I'm leaning towards the AMD setup just for something a bit different (for me). Trying to decide if it's worth stretching to 32GB RAM or go with 16GB for now and worry about upgrading later on.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
Trying to decide if it's worth stretching to 32GB RAM or go with 16GB for now and worry about upgrading later on.
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I would definitely get the 32GB, if the sticks were equal I'd say "whatever", but they're likely not to be. This is the kind of impact it can have with DDR4 (video). It is less with DDR5, but it is still potentially a loss the size of a CPU tier. 16GB sticks don't have this problem.
 
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I don't really have a budget I'm just trying to keep the cost down, which is both nice and annoying. Annoying because there's nothing to really stop me going "OK then, let's get 32GB RAM instead".
I started off with the 5800X3D build for £625 (CPU + MOBO +RAM).
Then when I spec'd the Z690 13600KF build it jumped up to £690.
Now if I go with the 7700 build it's up to about £715, but at least I'm getting a MOBO that should last and 32GB DDR5.

That said I do think that here and now the 13600KF is the better chip so I've not ruled that out but I am tempted to go with the AMD setup.
I'm tempted to wait for the 3D Cache chips but I suspect they'll be more than I want to spend, the only hope would be that they bring the price of the other chips (inc. 7700) down.

One question about RAM, for an AMD setup do I need to lookout for RAM that supports EXPO or do most motherboards support XMP even on AMD?
 
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JollyJamma said:
Most CPUs these days come out of the factory at very close to their maximum frequency.

To remain competitive, both Intel and AMD run their silicon at close to its limits.

Gone of the days when you could get an extra 1ghz+ out of a CPU.

Overclocking GPUs is more likely to result in performance gains.
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Harshell123 said:
If it’s overclocking you are after get Intel.
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that message intended for @Harshell123
 
What games do you want to upgrade for & what's your fps/settings targets? That's a very important point I don't see raised, because the numbers (AMD vs Intel) are way different depending on it.
 
13600k would be the cheaper option given you only need a board and cpu, 7700x based platform will cost more but gives you a cheaper upgrade option in the future so I guess it depends whether you want to spend more now or in the future.
 
JollyJamma said:
Him and OP

GoogalyMoogaly​


If OP is expecting to be able to hit 5.5ghz all core on a CPU, he might be disappointed.

I agree with uscool that under volting is the best approach to CPU tweaking these days.
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You can get 5.5ghz easy on Intel CPU’s below 13900k. Even higher.

If you want you can undervolt and have a very efficient CPU also.

With AMD the best thing to do is undervolt.

I agree it’s not like it used to be in terms of overclocking CPU’s, but it’s still possible. I’m not a fan of this “one core hits 6ghz under light load, so I can technically say I’m running 6ghz”. That to me is pointless, and for day to day usage you will see no benefit, especially when you get anything over low load your 6ghz is gone.

The AMD 3d CPU’s are known for the plug and play. Nobody should be buying them with the thought of overclocking ever.
 
Poneros said:
What games do you want to upgrade for & what's your fps/settings targets? That's a very important point I don't see raised, because the numbers (AMD vs Intel) are way different depending on it.
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I don't really know what games I'll be playing, I just want to be ready for what may come but there are still older games I've not gotten around to (Witcher 3, Skyrim, Cyberpunk).
I do intend to play at 4K and would like to be getting 100+ fps as much as possible. I've got a 7900 XT to go with it.
 
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