Ryzen 7 5800X3d vs Ryzen 7 7700 vs i5 13600KF

[Robert896r1]

Him and OP

GoogalyMoogaly​

If OP is expecting to be able to hit 5.5ghz all core on a CPU, he might be disappointed.

I agree with uscool that under volting is the best approach to CPU tweaking these days.

What are you talking about? Any 136/7/9k will do 5.5 all core.

 

[Poneros]

I don't really know what games I'll be playing, I just want to be ready for what may come but there are still older games I've not gotten around to (Witcher 3, Skyrim, Cyberpunk).
I do intend to play at 4K and would like to be getting 100+ fps as much as possible. I've got a 7900 XT to go with it.

In that case Intel will do better. Something like a 13600K would be a great value option though the 5800X3D is no slouch either, but if you want to see what AM5 can do with v-cache perhaps they can get to #1 with Zen 4 3D, which should launch soon anyway, but for sure it will be much more expensive. Plus the upgrade path for AM5 also has Zen 5 & 6 on it, so that's quite a tempting bonus in the long run. (actually scratch that entirely)
In your case it matters a little less right now because the 7900 XT is not going to be have excessive FPS once you turn RT on, so the CPU power won't be as needed as with Nvidia (plus the green team also has a higher CPU overhead). Actually I'd say that an R5 7600 would be enough in your case, and upgrade to a v-cache model a few years down the line once you also upgrade the GPU.

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[GoogalyMoogaly]

In your case it matters a little less right now because the 7900 XT is not going to be have excessive FPS once you turn RT on, so the CPU power won't be as needed as with Nvidia (plus the green team also has a higher CPU overhead). Actually I'd say that an R5 7600 would be enough in your case, and upgrade to a v-cache model a few years down the line once you also upgrade the GPU.

Oh yeah I wasn't expecting to play with RT on (might try it out to see what it looks like).
I did consider the 7600 but after all this time to be buying a 6c/12t CPU is just disappointing as they've been around for 10 years or so now?
I did consider the 7900 but that seems overkill, would've nicely matched the GPU naming though!

 

[Poneros]

Oh yeah I wasn't expecting to play with RT on (might try it out to see what it looks like).
I did consider the 7600 but after all this time to be buying a 6c/12t CPU is just disappointing as they've been around for 10 years or so now?
I did consider the 7900 but that seems overkill, would've nicely matched the GPU naming though!

It's more important to think in terms of actual results rather than "6 core vs 8 core" etc. In actual practice very very few current games gain anything from 2 extra cores, and even then we're talking 10-15% performance difference or so, a minor difference (see below an example).
The 12/16 core AMD chips are not recommended for gaming because their dual-CCD nature actually has issues sometimes and can lead to worse performance. Usually though it just does nothing for you (except having cost more).

 

[FredFlint]

If you want to keep your motherboard > 3 years, go AM5, if not its cheaper to go Intel+13600/13700K + DDR4. With the current motherboard prices, they should have a 5 year warranty and last several CPU generations.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

It's more important to think in terms of actual results rather than "6 core vs 8 core" etc. In actual practice very very few current games gain anything from 2 extra cores, and even then we're talking 10-15% performance difference or so, a minor difference (see below an example).
The 12/16 core AMD chips are not recommended for gaming because their dual-CCD nature actually has issues sometimes and can lead to worse performance. Usually though it just does nothing for you (except having cost more).

I know you're right, but it just doesn't feel much like progression when you're buying the same cores/threads as you were a decade ago. And £100 is a lot just to get 2 more cores just to make it feel better.

I'm not even sure if I'll upgrade this setup once I get it. CPUs seem to last a lot longer than GPUs (as far as gaming performance goes), so I might just keep it a few years and then replace everything, get all the new motherboard tech too.

 

[Wing-Man]

I'm not even sure if I'll upgrade this setup once I get it. CPUs seem to last a lot longer than GPUs (as far as gaming performance goes), so I might just keep it a few years and then replace everything, get all the new motherboard tech too

In that case b550 and a 5600/5700. That would be a hell of a lot cheaper and would do just fine for games.

My 5600 sits at 40% usage @ 1440p

 

[Kirby Wurm]

From what ive observed, if you are running XMP, ddr5 > ddr4. If you are manually tunning then it's a wash, game dependant. If RPL had cometlake's IMC - 4400c15 would be possible without much hassle and it would probably poop all over current ddr5, but that's just my guess

this is spot on, DDR5 as been about for a bit now, but not long enuf.
there is more speed to come what is classed as high end DDR5 now in 12 months will be basic stuff and with that the prices will change.

Interesting, thanks for the input.