Poll: Ryzen 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D

[SilverCider]

Intel is subsidising its products heavily in the commercial sector. I recently replaced several of our engineering workstations and when quoting for an AMD Threadripper system (which would have been incredible value vs. a full price 'equivalent' Intel system) we were told no by our IT dept. since our supplier was providing a 50% discount on their Intel systems. They are trying hard to keep market share and unfortunately, they have the capital to do this.

 

[humbug]

Intel is subsidising its products heavily in the commercial sector. I recently replaced several of our engineering workstations and when quoting for an AMD Threadripper system (which would have been incredible value vs. a full price 'equivalent' Intel system) we were told no by our IT dept. since our supplier was providing a 50% discount on their Intel systems. They are trying hard to keep market share and unfortunately, they have the capital to do this.

Honestly i hope they keep doing this because actually they don't have the capital to keep doing this. They are borrowing money, begging for government handouts, closing down segments of their businesses and sacking people all at an alarming rate.
Too many people inside Intel are too deluded about their long gone grandeur and if they don't stop that #### they will take the very good parts of their business down with the deluded crap.

This is not something that is done as a favour to the industry its done to stifle competition, fortunately it is not working and if Intel pigheadedly stick to this tactic because it worked decades ago they will bankrupt themselves.

We don't need Intel's bloated poorly designed crap, we do need their potentially excellent foundries. That is where Intel need to be investing those subsidies.

 

[Bencher]

Sorry wrong thread

 

[RGAF]

Intel is subsidising its products heavily in the commercial sector. I recently replaced several of our engineering workstations and when quoting for an AMD Threadripper system (which would have been incredible value vs. a full price 'equivalent' Intel system) we were told no by our IT dept. since our supplier was providing a 50% discount on their Intel systems. They are trying hard to keep market share and unfortunately, they have the capital to do this.

They cannot survive doing what they are doing. Giving discounts is one thing, 5% or 10% discounts is not unheard of in the channel for AMD kit, but 50% and more at the moment is the Intel going rate. I work for a channel supplier and Intel are bleeding money to keep market share in the server/datacentre market. With the 96 core AMD systems needing one socket and Intel not having that high of a core count product (yet) they are basically going to buyers and saying to them buy a two socket system, buy one CPU and we will give the other for free. These are CPU's that are over £10000 by the way. Datacentre, Intel is basically a buy one get one free at the moment. They can't keep doing that.

 

[humbug]

They cannot survive doing what they are doing. Giving discounts is one thing, 5% or 10% discounts is not unheard of in the channel for AMD kit, but 50% and more at the moment is the Intel going rate. I work for a channel supplier and Intel are bleeding money to keep market share in the server/datacentre market. With the 96 core AMD systems needing one socket and Intel not having that high of a core count product (yet) they are basically going to buyers and saying to them buy a two socket system, buy one CPU and we will give the other for free. These are CPU's that are over £10000 by the way. Datacentre, Intel is basically a buy one get one free at the moment. They can't keep doing that.

To put in to perspective what Intel are doing to themselves...

Q3 2022.

Intel Data Centre margins and profit: 0% and $0

AMD Data Centre margins and profit: 31% and $505 million.

AMD grew market share during Q4, AMD are selling more and more CPU's, growing market share, earning money while Intel are chewing their own arm off to try and fail to stop AMD, Intel cannot keep this going and if they try too hard they will go bust.

 

[humbug]

Look at how Intel title that segment.

"Data Centre and AI group"

As if AI is something new and unique to Intel, which is probably why its the bit they are trying to repeat subscription paywall, its not new and you're certainly not the only ones doing it, everyone is doing AI and have been for years, Intel, its not something you can charge a subscription for. You're deluded.

 

[RGAF]

And by the way, those discounts are on Intels new server CPU's that are starting to hit the channel. The old stuff is just sitting unsold. They will have to discount that stuff 75-80% at least to even begin to shift that. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. What they are doing is unsustainable.

 

[humbug]

And by the way, those discounts are on Intels new server CPU's that are starting to hit the channel. The old stuff is just sitting unsold. They will have to discount that stuff 75-80% at least to even begin to shift that. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. What they are doing is unsustainable.

If they had any sense they would invest that money in to their fallen behind foundries, that is where Intel could be incredibly strong but instead they are spaffing away billions trying and failing to stop an old adversary.

Is it really that personal to you? Intel?

 

[Iron Man]

Picked up a x670e hero and 32gb of c30 6000mhz ram so I’m now locked in for an upgrade at release. Hopefully the release prices are reasonable and the pound to dollar rate does not get hammered just before the release. I still have PTSD about the 4xxx Nvidia launch lol.

 

[RGAF]

Another interesting thing is the fact that AMD are trying to make their CPU's fab agnostic. Meaning they are trying to get the CPU's to transfer between foundries easier. The technology in them at the moment is reliant on TSMC to an extent but they are investing money to make them easier to transfer. That's why you have Intels Gelsinger saying that he would put AMD's logo on the side of a fab and the Samsung rumours from a few months ago. I can tell you there have been meetings about this and somethings cooking in that department. Might not be within the next few years but never say never.

 

[humbug]

Another interesting thing is the fact that AMD are trying to make their CPU's fab agnostic. Meaning they are trying to get the CPU's to transfer between foundries easier. The technology in them at the moment is reliant on TSMC to an extent but they are investing money to make them easier to transfer. That's why you have Intels Gelsinger saying that he would put AMD's logo on the side of a fab and the Samsung rumours from a few months ago. I can tell you there have been meetings about this and somethings cooking in that department. Might not be within the next few years but never say never.

Yeah, right now only TSMC have the technology to make AMD's designs, that's not good and AMD know it. Yes Pat has extended that olive branch to AMD and perhaps with a bit of know how from AMD Intel could make Ryzen CPU's and improve their fabs, what might be a concern to AMD is that Intel are behaving very much like aggressive competitors.
I mean of course they are, Intel are competitors to AMD, the worry might be that Intel might use AMD's know how against AMD.

I hope you're right, i hope something is being worked out, perhaps with Intel and / or Samsung, i'd like it to be Intel, i think they would be a benefit to each other.

Picked up a x670e hero and 32gb of c30 6000mhz ram so I’m now locked in for an upgrade at release. Hopefully the release prices are reasonable and the pound to dollar rate does not get hammered just before the release. I still have PTSD about the 4xxx Nvidia launch lol.

I have a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, fantastic board.... i like it a lot, i paid £165 for it at a time near release, very reasonable for what it is.

The B650 equivalent here... https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ocket-am5-ddr5-atx-motherboard-mb-5bb-gi.html Is £270, that gave me PTSD.

 

[hobib_ali]

so we still have no performance reviews on the X3D ?

like its only 6 days away from release, we should have some intel by now vs the Intel 13th gen

I bet it either smashes 13th gen, so in a way it was worth waiting for all the people who are holding on and not buying 13th gen


or it blows so hard that intel will laugh and all that waiting was for nothing

 

[hobib_ali]

even if X3D smashes 13th gen what will happen when intel releases 14th gen?

 

[Iron Man]

so we still have no performance reviews on the X3D ?

like its only 6 days away from release, we should have some intel by now vs the Intel 13th gen

I bet it either smashes 13th gen, so in a way it was worth waiting for all the people who are holding on and not buying 13th gen


or it blows so hard that intel will laugh and all that waiting was for nothing

20 days out now so we might see some cherry-picked results closer to the time but we will have to wait till the release on the 28th to get detailed benchmarks.

 

[delta0]

so we still have no performance reviews on the X3D ?

like its only 6 days away from release, we should have some intel by now vs the Intel 13th gen

I bet it either smashes 13th gen, so in a way it was worth waiting for all the people who are holding on and not buying 13th gen


or it blows so hard that intel will laugh and all that waiting was for nothing

Feb 28th for the 7950x3d and the 7900x3d

 

[uscool]

so we still have no performance reviews on the X3D ?

like its only 6 days away from release, we should have some intel by now vs the Intel 13th gen

I bet it either smashes 13th gen, so in a way it was worth waiting for all the people who are holding on and not buying 13th gen


or it blows so hard that intel will laugh and all that waiting was for nothing

Reviews come out day before release , release being on 28th February so reviews will be 27th

Same as intel and graphics cards day before release

 

[hobib_ali]

I thought it was releasing on the 14th feb?​

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like next week

is there a official release date info and what chips and the prices?

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im holding out on a 13th gen purchase because of the x3D​

also i know Intel Core i9-14900K releases 2024 so to long to wait

 

[uscool]

I thought it was releasing on the 14th feb?​

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like next week

is there a official release date info and what chips and the prices?

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im holding out on a 13th gen purchase because of the x3D​

also i know Intel Core i9-14900K releases 2024 so to long to wait

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You will be able to drop in zen5 / 3d in the current am5 board later

 

[hobib_ali]

Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs Ryzen 9 7900X3D vs Ryzen 9 7950X3D

All the above for gaming will be the same right?

its only if u do 4k playback and rendering the 7950 will help, but for gaming they all will do the same thing with the same FPS?

 

[uscool]

Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs Ryzen 9 7900X3D vs Ryzen 9 7950X3D

All the above for gaming will be the same right?

its only if u do 4k playback and rendering the 7950 will help, but for gaming they all will do the same thing with the same FPS?

7950x3d will probably be slightly faster in gaming is it worth it if only gaming in my opinion no

Reason why they releasing the 7800x3d later is to try to sell the more expensive ones which make them more profit and get the ones that not patient enough to wait

7800x3d probably be the most popular one