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Poll: Ryzen 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D
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He's not. When the time comes let's see how it compares to;
Various 13th gen CPUs ranging from £300 13600k which seem to overclock to 6Ghz.
Z690-A motherboard. ~£200
Contact frame ~£10
AF II 420mm Cooler ~£100
DDR4 memory running at ~4200C15 Gear1 (no new cost as had since Z390 days but if buying new then £139 for 32gb B-die dual rank currently on OcUK)
You see what I mean by hyperbole.
It will be fascinating to compare "tuned X3D vs tuned 13th gen", I'm looking forward to it.
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6ghz and 4200c15 is certainly not typical.
4200c15 would be excellent bin IMC not average chip and again requires time and knowledge.
how many volts are you putting through b-die 3600 to reach 4200c15. 1.6v? More than most are comfortable with and needs active cooling to be stable when it’s used.
This all go towards the fact that you can tune Intel a lot more. My scenario was max ddr5 now this is max ddr4 so few % less but still very strong.
Max tuned vcache vs max tuned 13th gen is still probably win for 13th gen as you can tune a lot more on Intel, I would expect vcache to beat 13th gen stock.
Lets say max tune 13th is 20% ahead right basic Zen4 now when vcache models come out it’s maybe down to 5%.
However maxed 13th gen requires more planning,testing and knowledge whereby vcache you can get 95% and not have to do anything except enable PBO and XMP on your 6000 kit.
Thats what I think he‘s getting at.
4200c15 would be excellent bin IMC not average chip and again requires time and knowledge.
how many volts are you putting through b-die 3600 to reach 4200c15. 1.6v? More than most are comfortable with and needs active cooling to be stable when it’s used.
This all go towards the fact that you can tune Intel a lot more. My scenario was max ddr5 now this is max ddr4 so few % less but still very strong.
Max tuned vcache vs max tuned 13th gen is still probably win for 13th gen as you can tune a lot more on Intel, I would expect vcache to beat 13th gen stock.
Lets say max tune 13th is 20% ahead right basic Zen4 now when vcache models come out it’s maybe down to 5%.
However maxed 13th gen requires more planning,testing and knowledge whereby vcache you can get 95% and not have to do anything except enable PBO and XMP on your 6000 kit.
Thats what I think he‘s getting at.
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The point is he wasn't right. It was unnecessary hyperbole.
I was referring to the actual test 13th gen system we have courtesy of @Robert896r1 . His 13600k seems pretty unremarkable as it's only around SP77 but clocks to 6Ghz I believe.
I was quoting his 4200C15 but 4000C15 and above is giving about the same performance according to testing done here. (read the conclusion) https://kingfaris.co.uk/blog/13900k-ram-oc-impact/summary
4000C15 is pretty standard fair for B-die and those that know what they're doing or follow the Github DDR4 overclocking guide.
So once again, let's see how actual systems perform when the time comes, not necessarily the most expensive we can find in order to support a particular narrative.
i.e Contact frames don't need to cost £45 most people get them for £10.
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Zen6 potential is the draw otherwise its just the 2 gen BS we get from Intel rebadged, time will tell but I suspect AMD will have felt the AM5 sales/adoption pain and be watching the stats on that closely
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X670-E for £320 now
still offering more with x3d slotted in as well do hope they can offer zen 6 would have been nice if they confirmed after zen5 but guess it being some time away things can change and leave options open
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Well I have 5.6GHz and am close with memory being 2 X 16GB at 4000MHz CL15 and it is dual rank sticks. Perfectly stable all workloads.
Is my RAM config typical or well tuned. Only 200MHz slower than your example. And is dual rank Samsung BDie 4200 CL15 typical or only singe rank? And yes mine is in Gear 1 and I assume you mean Gear 1 for that config as well.
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4000C15 and 5.6GHz are much easier to hit than 6Ghz and 4200C15. Im talking about DR Gear 1, many cpu IMC are just not capable of 4200 G1.
My 13900k is tuned for efficiency. Undervolted, running just how I want it to. Also have my 4090 Strix capped at 350W for maximum efficiency.
Think you're just mad that Ryzen 7000X3D will be faster than even a tuned (read 400W) 13900k, at stock settings XMP (Expo).
Yeap! I'm excited for the 28th, not too long now!
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Certainly 5.6GHz is way way easier than 6GHz being a 400MHz difference. Is even 4000 CL15 the cutoff of being much easier to hit than 4200 CL15 DR D1 even though the later is only 1000MHz single data rate faster?
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Isn’t it usually the lower core CPU’s that are released first also? I mean AMD have switched it clearly because the 8 core is the best of the bunch, and nobody would buy the others. They are giving themselves a few weeks of sales until people realise and start regretting their purchase.
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Sorry, you make a good point but the majority of this silly rant video has too much stupid in it for me to ignore....Isn’t it usually the lower core CPU’s that are released first also? I mean AMD have switched it clearly because the 8 core is the best of the bunch, and nobody would buy the others. They are giving themselves a few weeks of sales until people realise and start regretting their purchase.
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Comparing it to the 13700K is not really the point, its a halo product. If you want a cheaper gaming CPU the 7700 is $80 cheaper than the 13700K, oh so get the last gen.... well the 7600 is $50 cheaper than the 12700KF and $30 cheaper than the 12600KF. The 5700X is $200, what's wrong with it? its a re-branded 5800X and with that i can tell you its a damned good CPU, for $200!
See what's going on here? Don't buy these "fastest gaming CPU's" buy these cheaper CPU's from Intel i have cherry picked ignoring even cheaper CPU's still from AMD because i'm an angry little #### about AMD not selling their best CPU's for $150 where i can afford them.
AMD are not a charity, BOOO!!!!!!
PS: he got a bit of a shock didn't he when he saw that the 13700K was $420, not what he was expecting, the 7800X3D is only $30 more.
Also, Both AMD and Intel have always released the more expensive CPU's first. This is nothing new and its certainly not unique to AMD.
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They always have? Well not always? When Zen 2 came aboard in July 2019, there was the 3900X as highest core count CPU. It took until late November for the highest end CPU 3950X 16 core CPU to come on board.
The 7800X3D is best of bunch because no games benefit from more than 8 cores and only has one CCD with 96MB of cache.
Where as 7900X3D has 2 CCDs with only 6 cores each and only one of them is gaming CCD with 96MB L3 cache instead of standard 32MB L3 cache. And only 6 cores on a gaming CCD.
Well the 7950X does have an 8 core CCD with 96MB L3 cache and also a regular 8 core CCD with only 32MB L3 cache. So you still get one gaming CCD as good as the 7800X3D plus an additional one for workhorse tasks. But make sure to lock all game threads to the 3D cache CCD. And use the other for tons of background tasks if you have lots of them. But for just gaming unless you have a plethora of background stuff, more than 8 or even 6 cores benefits no games at all really and will not anytime soon.
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I have seen him previously being somewhat of an AMD fanboy which is why I took his word for the fact that the lower core count AMD CPU’s usually release first, it’s not something that I’ve followed closely enough to remember in previous AMD releases. That’s the only part of the video that interested me. I have also not been following the Intel prices lately either but surely they are dropping with the 3d’s release getting closer.
I apologise if you watched the whole thing and had to suffer. I meant to show the exact time but mustn’t have.
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I’m more interested in how AMD are going to compete with themselves rather than Intel. The 7950x might become more popular depending on performance results.
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