Poll: Ryzen 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D

[humbug]

That and the whole DDR5 mess really hacks me off, I want to upgrade. Especially as I have a 4090.

This Gen feels like the worst one in a while, suppose I shouldn’t expect anything less with a socket change.

Why not wait for reviews before throwing in the towel?

If you're worried about power consumption the 13900K is even worse and at least you can do something about it with the Ryzen CPU, quite appart from that IMO the Zen 4X3D chips will use less power anyway, they will be set up like that.

 

[sprite-]

Why not wait for reviews before throwing in the towel?

If you're worried about power consumption the 13900K is even worse and at least you can do something about it with the Ryzen CPU, quite appart from that IMO the Zen 4X3D chips will use less power anyway, they will be set up like that.

The power consumption doesn’t worry me, the issue is that I feel this Gen is a step backwards and spending money on something like that doesn’t sit well with me. Plus all the DD5 shenanigans.

For me it’s more - I like to buy Products which I feel are good. Not accept the half arse job kind of a Gen.

 

[humbug]

The power consumption doesn’t worry me, the issue is that I feel this Gen is a step backwards and spending money on something like that doesn’t sit well with me. Plus all the DD5 shenanigans.

For me it’s more - I like to buy Products which I feel are good. Not accept the half arse job kind of a Gen.

DDR5 shenanigans?

 

[sprite-]

DDR5 shenanigans?

Limitations and issues when you go beyond 2 sticks

 

[Toasty]

2 Sticks can get you 64GB and 2 sticks can generally reach a higher speed than 4 sticks.

There is always a trade off when going for max capacity and more sticks as its harder on the IMC and was the same on DDR4.

 

[humbug]

Limitations and issues when you go beyond 2 sticks

Ok, i was not aware of that.

Look, remember Zen 1? Remember all the noise about how unreliable and broken it was supposed to be.

I ran a Ryzen 1600 on a cheap as chips B350 board for two years, after updating the board to the latest BIOS right after talking out of the box the system never missed a beat, i had an Intel system before it and the AM4 platform even at that time was every bit as solid.

Also remember the cracked die thing on those repair shop RDNA2 GPU's? Just one example of it, just one, with that the whole thing got blown up as if it was a huge problem, conclutions of "this may kill AMD" tech tubers like Ber8auer whose always presented himself as an analytical expert surmised scientifically that the problem was over voltage in the AMD driver, because of course its always AMD's drivers, right?

It was a batch of Ex-mining cards that had been drenched in water, that's it, nothing to do with the GPU, nothing, lol..... to do with the driver, they were miss used and abused cards from one guy that had gone in for repair, what's more nearly all of these tech tubers failed to mention that.

Just know people love a good story, especially when it comes to AMD failing.

 

[sprite-]

2 Sticks can get you 64GB and 2 sticks can generally reach a higher speed than 4 sticks.

There is always a trade off when going for max capacity and more sticks as its harder on the IMC and was the same on DDR4.

The limitations and stability issues using 4 sticks of DDR5 are waaaay beyond DDR4, mainly due to the load on the memory controller and chipset firmware maturity on DDR4. Isn’t even comparable.

I run 128GB. Very put off investing into the early platform hardware launches until DDR5 and IMCs mature, as you’ll likely have to upgrade again on the same platform

 

[Dave2150]

The power consumption doesn’t worry me, the issue is that I feel this Gen is a step backwards and spending money on something like that doesn’t sit well with me. Plus all the DD5 shenanigans.

For me it’s more - I like to buy Products which I feel are good. Not accept the half arse job kind of a Gen.

How do you conclude that AM5 is step backwards? That literally makes no sense.

I've bought and tested two Ryzen 7000 systems over the last few weeks, R5 7600 and a R7 7700. Both running EXPO, fully stable, no issues. Just fantastic performance (check reviews) and rock solid stability.

There are no DDR5 "shenanigans" - just people trying to mix different memory kits, or buying kits not on QVL list, the usual noob errors.

 

[sprite-]

How do you conclude that AM5 is step backwards? That literally makes no sense.

I've bought and tested two Ryzen 7000 systems over the last few weeks, R5 7600 and a R7 7700. Both running EXPO, fully stable, no issues. Just fantastic performance (check reviews) and rock solid stability.

There are no DDR5 "shenanigans" - just people trying to mix different memory kits, or buying kits not on QVL list, the usual noob errors.

Sorry I don’t know much about the low end CPUs, I’m only concerned with the high end. They’re hotter and consume more power, they’ve gone from focusing on effienency to punting up the power due to Intel fears.

As for your DDR5 comment, plainly incorrect. Just search YouTube, plenty of in-depth analysis on 4 stick issues.

 

[humbug]

Ok, i was not aware of that.

Look, remember Zen 1? Remember all the noise about how unreliable and broken it was supposed to be.

I ran a Ryzen 1600 on a cheap as chips B350 board for two years, after updating the board to the latest BIOS right after talking out of the box the system never missed a beat, i had an Intel system before it and the AM4 platform even at that time was every bit as solid.

Also remember the cracked die thing on those repair shop RDNA2 GPU's? Just one example of it, just one, with that the whole thing got blown up as if it was a huge problem, conclutions of "this may kill AMD" tech tubers like Ber8auer whose always presented himself as an analytical expert surmised scientifically that the problem was over voltage in the AMD driver, because of course its always AMD's drivers, right?

It was a batch of Ex-mining cards that had been drenched in water, that's it, nothing to do with the GPU, nothing, lol..... to do with the driver, they were miss used and abused cards from one guy that had gone in for repair, what's more nearly all of these tech tubers failed to mention that.

Just know people love a good story, especially when it comes to AMD failing.

You know what #### it.... i knew what it was, i knew exactly what it was, i even posted videos of people power washing their mining rigs.
I was called an AMD fanboy for contradicting the great scientific lol mind of Der8auer...

Condensation, water vapour expands with heat, that would case pressure in a closed space, the only way to get water inside a die cap is to force it in there, like with a ###### pressure washer.

 

[Dave2150]

Sorry I don’t know much about the low end CPUs, I’m only concerned with the high end. They’re hotter and consume more power, they’ve gone from focusing on effienency to punting up the power due to Intel fears.

As for your DDR5 comment, plainly incorrect. Just search YouTube, plenty of in-depth analysis on 4 stick issues.

I'll not debate you further, as you seem determined on slating Zen4 rather than contributing relevant discussion.

 

[sprite-]

I'll not debate you further, as you seem determined on slating Zen4 rather than contributing relevant discussion.

I think you need to calm down and not take this as an attack on a platform you like.

I’m completely neutral when it comes to things like this but I find it hard for anyone to argue against it being a step backwards, when for example the increase in power draw on the 7950x actually means it gets less performance per watt than the 5950x.

It’s disappointing as an owner of a 5950x and previously the 3950x (well actually I still own it, it’s in one of my servers).

 

[humbug]

I think you need to calm down and not take this as an attack on a platform you like.

I’m completely neutral when it comes to things like this but I find it hard for anyone to argue against it being a step backwards, when for example the increase in power draw on the 7950x actually means it gets less performance per watt than the 5950x.

It’s disappointing as an owner of a 5950x and previously the 3950x (well actually I still own it, it’s in one of my servers).

Sure, yet its faster at 65 watts than your CPU is at 140.

 

[humbug]

Need i go on... Its nearly as fast at 65 watts as a 12900K.

Edit: in Blender, its faster...

 

[junpit]

I think it’s a general trend that AMD are so much hotter than they should be. This applies to the 7000 series but also the RDNA3 as well.

 

[sprite-]

Sure, yet its faster at 65 watts than your CPU is at 140.

Not sure what you’re getting at there?

During multi-threaded load (which is really why people like me buy such a CPU) the 5950x performance per watt is better than the 7950x, which is a step backwards for a company whose product would improve fundamentally rather Intels playbook of yoloing the power. (Which they were fairly and consistently critiqued for)

 

[humbug]

I think it’s a general trend that AMD are so much hotter than they should be. This applies to the 7000 series but also the RDNA3 as well.

With a 5800X i can attest to that buy its not real heat.

Heat is a volume not a number, energy used is converted in to heat and there fore measured in watts, heat watts that is, since in nature no energy is wasted, only converted or recycled its 1:1.

So, in reality 75c at 220 watts is a lot hotter than 120 watts at 90c, the former will heat up your room a lot more than the latter.

 

[FredFlint]

If you want to run 128GB(4*32GB) RAM, you will have to run it at 3600 to get out of the box stability. You might be able to push it higher, but it’s not guaranteed. Some have been able to get 5200 but it’s a lot of work, 12 months from now, it will probably be much easier.

 

[Meddling-Monk]

2 Sticks can get you 64GB and 2 sticks can generally reach a higher speed than 4 sticks.

There is always a trade off when going for max capacity and more sticks as its harder on the IMC and was the same on DDR4.

Was same on DDR3 as well, my 4930k could have driven 4 of those at 2333, but with 8 populated, it went down to 1600.

So I would say IMC's not able to drive lots of populated RAM well, it's sort of expected, but also kinda known about.

 

[Meddling-Monk]

If you want to run 128GB(4*32GB) RAM, you will have to run it at 3600 to get out of the box stability. You might be able to push it higher, but it’s not guaranteed. Some have been able to get 5200 but it’s a lot of work, 12 months from now, it will probably be much easier.

I'm not even sure waiting 12 months will help, as the IMC's won't be changing, only the BIOS. And I'm not sure how much BIOS changes can help in that regard. Although I'd love a shot at trying to drive all 128GB ram here at 6000Mhz if the BIOS updates could allow this, given I've tested and know that the kits I've got can hit that number in dual. But having seen the old x79 platform, I'm not putting too much hope over it. But would love to be surprised about it.