Ryzen and Gaming results.

SiDeards73 · 6 Mar 2017 at 22:08

Brazo said:
Well coffeelake will have 6 cores and were already at over 5ghz with Kabylake.

as the AMD fans say, wait and see...

AMD done more to push the market forward in one release than Intel has done in many years

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 6 Mar 2017 at 22:09

For anybody ditching their "old" Core i7 6700/6700K/7700/7700K I wouldn't mind if you donated your "crappy" CPU to me!

An Exception · 6 Mar 2017 at 22:21

Brazo said:
Well coffeelake will have 6 cores and were already at over 5ghz with Kabylake.

as the AMD fans say, wait and see...

Regarding 6 cores. I kinda feel the mainstream should already be on 8 cores. 6 is a bit disappointing, but at least intel are not going to be milking me again without at least giving me an extra couple of cores. Should equate to more than 5% performance improvement. Which is what I have been conditioned to be grateful for.
Does anyone know if we need a new socket to run coffeelake?

awaybreaktoday · 6 Mar 2017 at 22:38

An Exception said:
Regarding 6 cores. I kinda feel the mainstream should already be on 8 cores. 6 is a bit disappointing, but at least intel are not going to be milking me again without at least giving me an extra couple of cores. Should equate to more than 5% performance improvement. Which is what I have been conditioned to be grateful for.
Does anyone know if we need a new socket to run coffeelake?

Really all PCs should be 10 cores minimum now....

CEUOTC · 6 Mar 2017 at 23:37

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
For anybody ditching their "old" Core i7 6700/6700K/7700/7700K I wouldn't mind if you donated your "crappy" CPU to me!

Sold my i7 6700/Mobo to a co-worker running a FX8350

Scougar · 6 Mar 2017 at 23:56

So what's the deal with this then? I keep seeing lots of benches and the Ryzen not able to out pace a i7 7700k for example. Is this with SMT still turned on? Does it beat the 7700K if SMT is turned off ?

SniperDude · 7 Mar 2017 at 00:40

Personally, I doubt the updates and BIOS will improve things to bring it upto the 7700k level, I think the next
proper chip revision from AMD is going to be really interesting "Zen 2"

I really wanted AMD to steal the show with this and they have done a great job but I was hoping for something that was great for gaming
as well as amazing multicore........I know its asking a lot but they're not far from it... just not close enough YET.

For now I am going to get a 7700k will do me a few years.

I know people are saying for what you get from the 1800x the price is amazing but that's only really true when you compare it to the rip-off price of the Intel 6900k

The AMD 1800x is still £500 for me to hand that over I want it to game good too .....I'm not as well of as some on here lol

I did have high hopes and had it pre-ordered.

Curlyriff · 7 Mar 2017 at 07:34

SniperDude said:
Personally, I doubt the updates and BIOS will improve things to bring it upto the 7700k level, I think the next
proper chip revision from AMD is going to be really interesting "Zen 2"

I really wanted AMD to steal the show with this and they have done a great job but I was hoping for something that was great for gaming
as well as amazing multicore........I know its asking a lot but they're not far from it... just not close enough YET.

For now I am going to get a 7700k will do me a few years.

I know people are saying for what you get from the 1800x the price is amazing but that's only really true when you compare it to the rip-off price of the Intel 6900k

The AMD 1800x is still £500 for me to hand that over I want it to game good too .....I'm not as well of as some on here lol

I did have high hopes and had it pre-ordered.

No one is suggesting the 1800X though, it is all about the 1700 and overclocking it to 4.0-4.1Ghz which is the same price as the i7 7700K and thus gives you really good gaming with better low fps overall and smoother play back whilst allowing you to do more such as record, stream without any affect.

I also think the next step of Ryzen+ would be excellent if they can push to 4.5-4.6Ghz (on all cores) as that would really give a sweet spot for where games are in general.

Glanza · 7 Mar 2017 at 08:33

Asmuch as I don't usually agree with Jay this is worth a watch.

ubersonic · 7 Mar 2017 at 08:48

SniperDude said:
I know people are saying for what you get from the 1800x the price is amazing but that's only really true when you compare it to the rip-off price of the Intel 6900k

It's also true if you compare it to the 6850K which the 1800X decimates.

DragonQ · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:25

Glanza said:
Asmuch as I don't usually agree with Jay this is worth a watch.

I definitely want to see more frame time graphs to back up the numerous claims of improved smoothness because that is more important than maximum or even average FPS to me (as long as average FPS isn't massively lower).

Curlyriff · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:29

DragonQ said:
I definitely want to see more frame time graphs to back up the numerous claims of improved smoothness because that is more important than maximum or even average FPS to me (as long as average FPS isn't massively lower).

There are some slides online that I can't dig out right now that show the frame pacing difference of Ryzen to i7 7700k and it is so much better, people saying that it isn't right to go visible because we are all seeing it as a placebo is funny though because it is really obvious here.

I did point out that the i7 6850K and i7 6900K are also much more smooth with much better frame pacing than the i7 7700K gut of course you are talking £600 & £1000 CPU's compared to £330 CPU here for the same performance. So 2x to 3x better price to performance.

Curlyriff · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:36

I want to add of course it's not all games. A lot are smooth on both of course. It is just certain games are really obvious with the frame pacing issues (the division) but others like Doom & Watchdogs 2 are fine so it is a little bit of a mixed bag but what you can say is that Ryzen is actually smooth across the board and will only improve. The i7 7700k is what it is now and has some quirks that don't appear to be getting ironed out in regards to frame pacing.

It of course will also depend on which GPU you pair it up with of course. This would take a long time to work through and really get info and we will be waiting a few months to see the details.

hornetstinger · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:38

Curlyriff said:
I want to add of course it's not all games. A lot are smooth on both of course. It is just certain games are really obvious with the frame pacing issues (the division) but others like Doom & Watchdogs 2 are fine so it is a little bit of a mixed bag but what you can say is that Ryzen is actually smooth across the board and will only improve. The i7 7700k is what it is now and has some quirks that don't appear to be getting ironed out in regards to frame pacing.

It of course will also depend on which GPU you pair it up with of course. This would take a long time to work through and really get info and we will be waiting a few months to see the details.

Sounds like more badly coded game, than not enough power.

Curlyriff · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:40

hornetstinger said:
Sounds like more badly coded game, than not enough power.

But if a CPU is removing that issue then at the end of the day us as gamers get better performance and visuals regardless of the course.

It all comes to optimisation and the cost balance of coding so it isn't going to go away. If you have something that removes that issue from a different perspective how is that a negative?

hornetstinger · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:44

Curlyriff said:
But if a CPU is removing that issue then at the end of the day us as gamers get better performance and visuals regardless of the course.

It all comes to optimisation and the cost balance of coding so it isn't going to go away. If you have something that removes that issue from a different perspective how is that a negative?

Throwing more power to solve a coding issue isn't really solving it. Remember I had to wait until I bought a new PC to play GTA IV. Many games at the time were more complex than GTA IV. Just a badly coded game.

Chrisc · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:55

SniperDude said:
Personally, I doubt the updates and BIOS will improve things to bring it upto the 7700k level, I think the next
proper chip revision from AMD is going to be really interesting "Zen 2"

I really wanted AMD to steal the show with this and they have done a great job but I was hoping for something that was great for gaming
as well as amazing multicore........I know its asking a lot but they're not far from it... just not close enough YET.

What makes it not great for gaming?

ubersonic · 7 Mar 2017 at 09:56

hornetstinger said:
Throwing more power to solve a coding issue isn't really solving it.

I doubt even Ryzen will make Halo PC playable XD

Curlyriff · 7 Mar 2017 at 10:01

hornetstinger said:
Throwing more power to solve a coding issue isn't really solving it. Remember I had to wait until I bought a new PC to play GTA IV. Many games at the time were more complex than GTA IV. Just a badly coded game.

That isn't true. I working in engineering and the solution is the solution, just because someone is coming at it a different way doesn't mean it is any less viable. And even if it is a short term solution to the issue and we do want of course better coded games but that isn't the reality and the solution to resolve it now at a price more can afford is so regardless of our idealistic views they don't often work that way.

I would suggest that also to say that GTA IV wasn't complex is certainly not doing it justice to what it was as well at the time.

hornetstinger · 7 Mar 2017 at 10:04

Curlyriff said:
That isn't true. I working in engineering and the solution is the solution, just because someone is coming at it a different way doesn't mean it is any less viable. And even if it is a short term solution to the issue and we do want of course better coded games but that isn't the reality and the solution to resolve it now at a price more can afford is so regardless of our idealistic views they don't often work that way.

I would suggest that also to say that GTA IV wasn't complex is certainly not doing it justice to what it was as well at the time.

Best would be not to buy those games where they're a coding disaster. Let the studio lose money on games that gamers refuse to be conned into buying, and requiring a £5000 gaming PC.

It couldn't even run at lowest detail setting, lowest resolution without being a slideshow. Yet other open world games could run in ultra, everything maxed 1920x1200 out at 60fps.