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Ryzen Opinions

Overlag said:
Intel will certainly have higher peak FPS.


Pretty much no CPU upgrade is going to be substantial these days. Dipping into the savings would be best spent on a top end GPU for the most part.
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Depends what you are upgrading from.

It's true that a top end GPU will be the biggest factor in gaming performance, but modern games often require a fair amount of CPU grunt. If you have a CPU that's about 5 years old or older, especially not overclocked, you will notice a substantial difference in gaming performance if you upgrade to a decent modern CPU.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Be interested to hear what your feelings are, and your exact setup, running a i7 920. Will upgrade, but might go full AMD if their vega is suitable.
I am concerned with the reports of ryzen and nviida GFX not working nicely together for 'reasons'.
Almost like their gfx drivers are squishy on purpose to make the chipset seem poor.
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Not heard of that. Sources ?
 
The per core performance of Ryzen shouldn't be slower than a 3770K really (definitely not at the same clock) - though some games might be compiled with optimisations for the Intel architecture specifically.
 
teppic said:
The per core performance of Ryzen shouldn't be slower than a 3770K really (definitely not at the same clock) - though some games might be compiled with optimisations for the Intel architecture specifically.
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oh yeah certainly, clock for clock the Ryzen IPC is better, however the Ryzen is limited to 3.9-4ghz whereas most 3770k's can run at 4.5 minimum.
 
I went from an AMD FX to Ryzen for my gaming / VR rig and with a 1080Ti it handles things quite nicely.

Sure it's a new platform so some fiddling required and bios updates but all part of the fun :D
 
After two weeks of Ryzen I have gone back to Intel. This will be a long post.

I had a 1800X and a Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-Gaming K7, really nice board and the extra cores when I was encoding videos was awesome.

I upgraded from a 4790k and an Asus Z97 Deluxe that I had used since launch around 3yrs ago and the system had been very reliable and fast, never even had a BSOD in 3yrs of 24/7 use either. I thought why not try Ryzen, single core performance was close to the 4790k and I had all those extra threads to play with. Performance was ok but boot times from cold to desktop was slower and desktop performance was sluggish, this was on a clean Windows 10 Anniversary update.

Opening task manager was slow, took twice as long as my 4790k and even simple things like expanding folder sizes by dragging the corner was terrible, felt like the frame rate was at 20fps and lower. Moving folders was fine, no issues there, that was nice and fluid (I run a 4K screen with 2x 1080 Ti's)

My other issues and they were big ones was the SSD 4K read/write was extremely slow compared the Intel system and the GPU performance was not the same, no amount of driver changes would fix this.

Here is a user bench run on the 1800X, check out SSD 4K performance and GPU peformance.

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3699889

Now the Intel 7700k on a Z270 chipset, 4K SSD performance is significantly faster and this is probably one of the main reasons the overall OS feels much more responsive.

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3737526

Now on to gaming, I game at 4K with all games at their max settings with 2x 1080 Ti's so, some games ran very smoothly and some had insanely high frame times that caused the stutter to be so bad those games were unplayable.

Check out this frame time shot of the 1800X playing Biosock Infinite at 4K maxed out, unplayable as frame times went as high as 400ms+, same issue in Watch Dogs 1 and a few others. Tried turning SMT off and on, using AMD's balanced power plan and high performance, different Nvidia drivers but nothing would change this result.

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Now here is the 7700K, no spikes in game at all, silky smooth. The spikes at the beginning is just the game loading.

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Here is also my samsung magician benchmark on my 850 Pro 1TB SSD, bloody awful performance on the Ryzen system. Tried every SATA port even using the SSD on it's own with no other SATA drives plugged in, same result.

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And now the Intel Z270 system, exactly as it should be and the same performance that my Z97 had.

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Now when I switched from the 1800X to the 7700K to test, all I did was remove the AMD chipset driver, put the new motherboard/CPU in, powered up and that was it, even on the very first boot Windows picked up the new hardware perfectly and went straight to the desktop, I ran a few benches without even installing the Intel chipset drivers. Every other driver and software on the system was the same as it was the same Windows install.

The difference was like night and day. I no longer get frame time issues in any game, all run silky smooth and overall OS responsiveness is far faster. Expanding folder sizes is silky smooth and folders and task manager open in a split second.

Shame as I love the extra cores but with the issues I had it was a massive downgrade overall from even the 4790k.

Here is firestrike run, 1800X scored 24,403, 7700k scored 26,987

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12627099/fs/12684103

Ryzen is an amazing chip but needs improving as does the chipset, if you want to game at 4K even I would not recommend Ryzen for the time being, at least until there is far more optimisations and games take proper advantage of more cores.
 
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I know its frustrating that things aren't working as they should be but I can honestly say that you are the only person I have heard with these issues.
I go on other forums and not heard of this.
In fact I ran samsung magician just for you and my results tie in with yours and I experience none of the gaming nor desktop issues you speak of.
Mine is just as fast as the 4770 it replaced.
I think your issue lies elsewhere.

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hyperseven said:
Cause like most tubers they regurgitate what others have said on the web and don't do the testing themselves. Gotta get those views.
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I disagree with your opinion but fair enough. Also the video I linked, he did all the testing himself and he was one of the few to talk about this problem.
 
gavinh87 said:
I know its frustrating that things aren't working as they should be but I can honestly say that you are the only person I have heard with these issues.
I go on other forums and not heard of this.
In fact I ran samsung magician just for you and my results tie in with yours and I experience none of the gaming nor desktop issues you speak of.
Mine is just as fast as the 4770 it replaced.
I think your issue lies elsewhere.
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Even with RAPID mode disabled my 840 Evo significantly outperforms those results on my 4820K - almost double those IOPS (and it should be a slower drive than your 850).

Wonder if its a wider thing that Ryzen is a bit meh for low level disc IO performance - would need a wider investigation to be sure.
 
Radeon85 said:
After two weeks of Ryzen I have gone back to Intel. This will be a long post.

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Sucks mate. It does sound like one of those driver issues but you said you'd explored that already. Especially resizing windows, that's a GPU thing these days. I don't think your GPUs running at 8x would be an issue but did you try with just one GPU installed? There are benchmarks out there showing nVidia GPUs don't play nice with Ryzen in some scenarios, maybe this is related. It'd be interesting to see if other people have similar problems.

EDIT: Whoops quoted wrong post.
 
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^^ I'm not the one with Ryzen issues - just know the 850 Evo should be performing better than those results posted above.
 
Radeon85 said:
After two weeks of Ryzen I have gone back to Intel. This will be a long post.
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Interesting post, sorry you had issues. I haven't noticed anything like that myself, I wonder was it something to do with the motherboard?

Good luck with your new setup :) It's nice to finally have a options!!
 
It's strange, the SSD is fine as is the GPU's, have had the 850 Pro for almost 2yrs, Z97 it runs at full speed in IOPS, AX370 slow and Z270 full speed again. The only thing it struggled on was 4K read/writes and random IOPS, everything else ran at full speed on Ryzen.

May have been a compatibility issue or even a dodgy board but it didn't show any other signs of issues and was on 24/7 for two weeks and ran rock solid.

So far two days of 24/7 use on the 7700K and Asus ROG Z270 Formula and everything is running flawlessly with all of the same hardware plugged in, same OS install and same RAM as well.

As long as it works that's the main thing :)

Forgot to add, noticed this person had frame time issues in Bioshock infinite on an 1800X and 1070, just watch the frame rate and GPU usage plummet.

Mine started off like that and the longer you play the worse it got.

 
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