Who would they get who would do better? I doubt Ancellotti would come back at all let alone for just the rest of the season potentially. Other options aren't going to pull Chelsea into the CL places so their best bet is to reassess at the end of the season. Chelsea won't go down and they wont get CL so there isn't much point in getting rid of him now.
Poll: Sack Race 2015/16
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Any big name would have a good chance of getting them into top 4? I wouldn't say so. They are 14 points off 4th and playing badly. The only reason they aren't further behind is because other teams in the top 4 have been erratic too. Unless LvG engineers a shocker in the second half of the season and Spurs/Pool don't continue to improve I can't see Chelsea making up that gap even if they start playing well tomorrow.
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Mourinho looking likely now.
Getting a top manager is really hard to be fair. Sacking your manager at the wrong time leaves you in either a really bad place in the short term or long term.
With both United, City and Chelsea potentially wanting new managers at the end of the season and with Guardiola apparently set for City you would expect Ancellotti to go to Bayern. I don't know who else there is that United and Chelsea would really want and be able to get who would be considered world class managers.
I want to see Simeone manage United but it doens't seem like many others do.
I expect RM will be after a new manager as well but perhaps they think that Mourinho would be a good fit again
With both United, City and Chelsea potentially wanting new managers at the end of the season and with Guardiola apparently set for City you would expect Ancellotti to go to Bayern. I don't know who else there is that United and Chelsea would really want and be able to get who would be considered world class managers.
I want to see Simeone manage United but it doens't seem like many others do.
I expect RM will be after a new manager as well but perhaps they think that Mourinho would be a good fit again
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Has there been any serious suggestion that Utd are looking to replace LvG? While it's possible they were just wanting to save face rather than appear to be losing out to City, it was just the other week they briefed the press that they've very happy with him and not interested in Guardiola.
As for Simeone, given the criticism of LvG being too defensive, is he really the man to replace him?
You're right about timing though. It's the easiest thing in the world to call for a managers head but what's the point if there's nobody better to replace him. I suspected, probably optimistically rather than with any real belief that Rodgers survived the summer because Klopp wasn't ready to take a new job. Given the way things played out and a few comments that followed, I'm all but certain that at the very least we'd sounded Klopp out in the summer and that he'd indicated that he'd be interested at the right time.
As for Simeone, given the criticism of LvG being too defensive, is he really the man to replace him?
You're right about timing though. It's the easiest thing in the world to call for a managers head but what's the point if there's nobody better to replace him. I suspected, probably optimistically rather than with any real belief that Rodgers survived the summer because Klopp wasn't ready to take a new job. Given the way things played out and a few comments that followed, I'm all but certain that at the very least we'd sounded Klopp out in the summer and that he'd indicated that he'd be interested at the right time.
Hiddink? Though I would expect he'd only come on board until the end of the season.
There hasn't been any serious talk of us replacing LvG because we are still in an OK position in the league and the fans haven't completely turned on him yet. If we carry on the way we have been though I have no doubt he will be sacked. Whats the benefit to giving a man who has already spent a lot of money the chance to spend even more when he hasn't delivered good football or good results.
I don't think Simeone is that defensive honestly. We tend to watch them against the likes of RM, Barcelona etc who have massive budgets and who would take them to the cleaners if they tried to play an open game. He is an astute manager who gets the most our of his teams and given a large budget I think he would do well.
When people talk about LvG being defensive so why would we want another defensive minded manager I'm not sure what they are saying. You can be defensively very sound and play entertaining football. LvG is living on luck and the heroics of DDG to save us a lot of the time which statistically looks like a solid defence but the other side of that is that we are completely impotent going forwards and dull as hell to watch. Counter attacking sides are entertaining. Attacking sides are entertaining. Crawling up the pitch, choking the game with possession and scoring hardly any goals is just crap.
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If reports are to be believed then Pep is off to City and Ancelotti is replacing him at Bayern, which means we're stuck with LvG 
Of course, the papers could be completely wrong or we could hijack one of those moves, but why would Pep want to manage anyone but City or possibly Arsenal? So far he's managed the two biggest and most successful (at that time) clubs in their respective countries. He will take over a good squad at City that needs a few signings to make it potentially dominant, plus they have unbelievable training facilities and more money than they know what to do with. On top of that, if Chelsea and United don't improve then he will face fairly weak competition for the title, thereby maintaining his record for title wins.
Personally I'd like Ancelotti at United. He got RM playing some of the best counter-attacking football I've ever seen, and that is the style that suits United and that we often played under SAF against the big sides. I think Pep would be an improvement over LvG and would have the name to attract some big players, but I think the manager most suited to the job at United is Ancelotti.
Of course, the papers could be completely wrong or we could hijack one of those moves, but why would Pep want to manage anyone but City or possibly Arsenal? So far he's managed the two biggest and most successful (at that time) clubs in their respective countries. He will take over a good squad at City that needs a few signings to make it potentially dominant, plus they have unbelievable training facilities and more money than they know what to do with. On top of that, if Chelsea and United don't improve then he will face fairly weak competition for the title, thereby maintaining his record for title wins.
Personally I'd like Ancelotti at United. He got RM playing some of the best counter-attacking football I've ever seen, and that is the style that suits United and that we often played under SAF against the big sides. I think Pep would be an improvement over LvG and would have the name to attract some big players, but I think the manager most suited to the job at United is Ancelotti.
Its really hard to say who would want to go where. If Guardiola wants a real challenge then he might find the opportunity to return United to the peak of English and European football more tempting than City. He could rebuild most of our squad whereas City only need tweaking.
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I'm not sure many managers would see taking over 4th place Manchester United, 6 points off the top with 66 points still up for grabs as a REAL challenge.
Really, thats where we are currently but unless we start playing better football we won't be there at the end of the season. Its also hard to move from 4th to 1st when you have the likes of Chelsea and Man City with big budgets behind them. Its not the same challenge as taking perhaps Spurs to the title but its pretty hard as well as achievable.
It sounds like Pep won't be signing a new contract.
Pep goes to City. Ancelotti could well go to Bayern in that case.
What obvious candidate is there for us when we inevitably have to sack LvG? I hope there's some serious planning in place.
There will probably be a vacancy at Chelsea too. Would we want Mourinho now, is our squad good enough for him to work with?
Giggs is another potential disaster waiting to happen... though at this stage I'd take him over LvG, at least he'll try and attack.
Pep goes to City. Ancelotti could well go to Bayern in that case.
What obvious candidate is there for us when we inevitably have to sack LvG? I hope there's some serious planning in place.
There will probably be a vacancy at Chelsea too. Would we want Mourinho now, is our squad good enough for him to work with?
Giggs is another potential disaster waiting to happen... though at this stage I'd take him over LvG, at least he'll try and attack.
I don't particularly want Mourinho because he is a complete **** when things aren't going his way. I don't massively like the style of football he plays.
I have no idea why we think Giggs will be the solution to our problems either. Hes just finished playing and there is no reason to think he has any idea how to manage a club let alone one of our size.
I want to see us bring in a world class, proven manager or someone exciting at the very least. I think most United fans wouldn't mind our current decline in the league if we weren't playing absolutely awful football.
I have no idea why we think Giggs will be the solution to our problems either. Hes just finished playing and there is no reason to think he has any idea how to manage a club let alone one of our size.
I want to see us bring in a world class, proven manager or someone exciting at the very least. I think most United fans wouldn't mind our current decline in the league if we weren't playing absolutely awful football.
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Really, flying in that they've spent loads and not matched what was done the season before he arrived?
He did an okay job but lets be honest, he took over by a margin the best side in europe and managed to put in embarrassing football performances in the semi/quarter finals in his two years where Bayern lost almost exclusively due to his tactics and the ultra possession style.
They became significantly less entertaining to watch pretty much the day he took over, getting more and more boring throughout the first season. Mourinho was threatened with the sack if he didn't reverse his decision to make Real sit back and defend in the big games(which also resulted in similar 5-0 style losses against top teams) and kept his job by going back to a better style of football, results also improved. I say that because similar discontent with fans/board at bayern over Guardiola's style has persisted throughout the past two seasons and this year Bayern are a way way more direct side, who are far more entertaining to watch and have been winning games better/bigger. They look a significantly improved side having moved away from what you might call Guardiola's signature style which was so pervasive in the previous two years.
In terms of Bayern flying, 2 CL finals in a row, won the second, brilliant entertaining football throughout those two years. Guardiola followed up by getting thrashed by Real, 5-0 was it, then the next year going 3-1 down to Porto(comparatively a very poor side) before conceding 5 goals was it to Barcelona as they went out.
For a team of Bayern's size, with just how good they were before he took over they have certainly been worse under him. Less competition in the league over the whole period due to Dortmund injury crisis, this year Dortmund look back to their best and Bayern aren't as dominant in the league.
I think after reverting back to the 12/13 Bayern style they'd happily keep Guardiola though. Does sound more like he wants out. I wonder if like Mourinho he sees that the best option for managers is to jump around top teams giving only 2-3 years a piece before jumping ship before the inevitable downslide you get. Barca were noticeably less good in his last year there, Bayern have improved by going against the usual Guardiola style.
Saying something about leaving a hero or staying long enough to become the villian would seem appropriate in this case. I think he'll do a few years with a prem league team before jumping ship again. back to Barca, maybe Italy, who knows.
But he adapts his style for the players he has....
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17893626&postcount=33
But he adapts his style for the players he has....
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17893626&postcount=33
I have changed my opinion of him like a lot of others I would say. He isn't a bad manager he is just not the kind I would like at United. Much like Suarez wasn't a complete **** in most peoples eyes when he first came to Liverpool. How times change.
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I assume you didn't remember me saying that 5 years ago!
