Saddam Hussein Executed
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Spie said:
That's highly subjective and I think you might want to consider the longer term. It could well be that there is a transition period between the current choas and then the development of stable state. But the fact remains...
The current uprising in problems in Iraq, is not just a reflection of the US war aginst Iraq, but a much deeper conflict between the whole region and the west. A clash of culture, history & religion is what created the mess, the war is just the spark that lit the fire IMO. Just as with talaban in Afghanistan, we had to stand up to Saddam and take him out of power, the cruelty and injustice in both countries was unacceptable. WMD's or no WMD's this is fight that we needed to start, and need to win..
(lol perhaps I should run for the US senate?)
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MasterMike said:
Why will history condem it? Fiar trial or not the fact is he killed thousands, its a known fact he was directly or inderictly involved with so much suffering and death, to be honest did he really need a trial? Its a good thing he has been put to death.
Spie said:
I wouldnt say worse. Plus there was also the threat of what Sadam may have done had he been left in control, would you have wanted him witha nuke or 2? He was enough of a nut to actually use it!
Its all too easy to focus on the bad news and the bombings but the good that is being done there is largerly ignored or not reported.
Perhaps Saddam was able to withstand a chronic heart attack unlike Milosevic and immune to radionuclide polonium-210, which comes from Nuclear Power generators and requires mass amounts to kill. This whole execution exercise seems pointless and effortless since his capture 3 years ago.
Bit late in the day I think to do this.
Bit late in the day I think to do this.
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jezsoup said:
Why not? About 3 times more people are being killed violently every day compared to under his rule? Living conditions are considerably worse and the country is in civil war. Life wasn't good under Saddam, but it was better than the mess we've made of it.
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noob said:Bad move, Iraq is going to get a lot worse now. So is Robert Mugabe next? Hang on he doesn't have weapons of mass destruction.
He also doesn't have oil pipelines running through his country
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starscream said:He also doesn't have oil pipelines running through his country
Yeah man, the Levellers rock!
Absolute farce that Britain and the States executed Saddam. He kept Iraq under control, his only crime was oil. This sends a message to people in the middle East - execution is acceptable in the west 
Well done USAUK - bunch of idiots.
Well done USAUK - bunch of idiots.The deed is done, one less former dictator in the world. A cause for celebration surely? Not really.
Justice served? Hardly. A Mickey Mouse court operation, a legal defence team stymied at every turn; never allowed to see all the evidence being used against him, a Judge appointed and trained by the US for the explicit purpose of this case who from the very start declared Saddam "Guilty", done in a court set up and controlled by the United States (illegal under the international humanitarian law in the Fourth Geneva Convention); A tribunal who obscured justice at all stages, first declaring no evidence existed from the Dujail trial, and then later allowed the prosecution to use evidence from it whilst simultaneously refusing the defence team access to any of the records; who refused to even tell the defence team the charges being raised against the defendants until the trial had already been going for 8 months.
Justice? Yeah right. The United Nations independent review found it unjust in its final opinion back at the start of September http://international-lawyers.org/Doc...20Decision.pdf and had even told both the Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal and the US government that things needed to be improved, and as importantly what needed improved, over a year prior to that.
Light the touch paper and withdraw to a safe distance? We'll be lucky if that distance even exists on this planet. All they've done with this pathetic excuse for Justice is sign the death warrants of many hundreds of innocents, not just in Iraq but across the world, both foreign citizens and their own, and they've sent a clear message to the Iraqis that they cannot look to the law or the occupation government to defend themselves, cannot look to them for fairness, freedom and justice; the self same rights that supposedly form the corner stones of western society. The protests and the violence that we'll see come out from this will likely be unbelievable. How many hundreds of thousands of innocents must die before a country will accept that its actions abroad are causing them?
This whole farce gets me so annoyed. There was no reason for it to be done this way. The coalition had all the opportunity to ensure it got done the right way, 100% visible to the world. A chance to show the world that the coalition forces still stood on the side of justice. Instead they proved themselves to be little better than savage dictators, dispensing their idea of right and wrong with no thought to justice at all.
I don't claim Saddam was innocent, I'm quite confident that he was probably very much guilty of the crimes he got tried for, and many more beyond it; but you can't expect others to grant justice to yourself and a fair legal trial and not allow it to others. Small wonder groups like Amnesty International were protesting about Saddam's trial, the self same group who have campaigned so hard to see him brought to one. http://web.amnesty.org/pages/irq-281206-statement-eng
Justice served? Hardly. A Mickey Mouse court operation, a legal defence team stymied at every turn; never allowed to see all the evidence being used against him, a Judge appointed and trained by the US for the explicit purpose of this case who from the very start declared Saddam "Guilty", done in a court set up and controlled by the United States (illegal under the international humanitarian law in the Fourth Geneva Convention); A tribunal who obscured justice at all stages, first declaring no evidence existed from the Dujail trial, and then later allowed the prosecution to use evidence from it whilst simultaneously refusing the defence team access to any of the records; who refused to even tell the defence team the charges being raised against the defendants until the trial had already been going for 8 months.
Justice? Yeah right. The United Nations independent review found it unjust in its final opinion back at the start of September http://international-lawyers.org/Doc...20Decision.pdf and had even told both the Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal and the US government that things needed to be improved, and as importantly what needed improved, over a year prior to that.
Light the touch paper and withdraw to a safe distance? We'll be lucky if that distance even exists on this planet. All they've done with this pathetic excuse for Justice is sign the death warrants of many hundreds of innocents, not just in Iraq but across the world, both foreign citizens and their own, and they've sent a clear message to the Iraqis that they cannot look to the law or the occupation government to defend themselves, cannot look to them for fairness, freedom and justice; the self same rights that supposedly form the corner stones of western society. The protests and the violence that we'll see come out from this will likely be unbelievable. How many hundreds of thousands of innocents must die before a country will accept that its actions abroad are causing them?
This whole farce gets me so annoyed. There was no reason for it to be done this way. The coalition had all the opportunity to ensure it got done the right way, 100% visible to the world. A chance to show the world that the coalition forces still stood on the side of justice. Instead they proved themselves to be little better than savage dictators, dispensing their idea of right and wrong with no thought to justice at all.
I don't claim Saddam was innocent, I'm quite confident that he was probably very much guilty of the crimes he got tried for, and many more beyond it; but you can't expect others to grant justice to yourself and a fair legal trial and not allow it to others. Small wonder groups like Amnesty International were protesting about Saddam's trial, the self same group who have campaigned so hard to see him brought to one. http://web.amnesty.org/pages/irq-281206-statement-eng
These people need a dictator to keep them from killing each other. The only reason we should get involved is if they are developing nukes or ICBM'S and then we should do it from a safe distance.
I'll lose no sleep knowing he's dead though.
I'll lose no sleep knowing he's dead though.