Saddam Hussein Executed

stinka · 30 Dec 2006 at 12:57

kitten_caboodle said:
are we all pretending that 4,5,600 years ago we didn't behave like that?

Thousands of people were beheaded or burnt at the stake for their beliefs. Women were legally killed for committing adultery - people were executed for simply saying what they believed or even what they thought. Thieves had their hands amputated, people were disembowelled and their internal organs removed while they were still alive as a punishment for something that most times they weren't even guilty of as justice was virtually unheard of. The entire Kingdom was ruled by power and terror and free speech or thought was punishable by a cruel and violent death.

What makes us so different?

It takes a long time to achieve democracy and you can't ignore the fact that the UK was just as bad, if not worse than other countries all those years ago.

Dead right mate, this is why iraqies need a brutal dictator to keep all those anamilistic tendancies under control

stinka

[TW]Fox · 30 Dec 2006 at 12:57

kitten_caboodle said:
are we all pretending that 4,5,600 years ago we didn't behave like that?
.

That was 500 years ago, and everyone involved is long since dead.

What next, saying we shouldnt arrest people for murder becuase 2000 years ago we didnt bother?

Fantom · 30 Dec 2006 at 12:59

just watched the video of him having the noose put on, you cant help but feel sorry for the guy...until you re-read the stats

stinka · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:05

taken from an article in the washington post:

A team of American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003 than would have died if the invasion had not occurred.

he was a tyrant, but removing him has come at a great cost to iraqi people, and look at the unrest now, its a right old mess

kitten_caboodle · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:05

[TW]Fox said:
That was 500 years ago, and everyone involved is long since dead.

What next, saying we shouldnt arrest people for murder becuase 2000 years ago we didnt bother?

er... no i've already said he deserved what he got for what he did. Try reading the posts in context with previous posts before you comment please

my point was responding to someone who said you can't achieve democracy in a brutal country that knows only violence. The UK is proof that that isn't true.

[TW]Fox said:
That was 500 years ago, and everyone involved is long since dead.

So are the people Saddam murdered. So by your reasoning does that mean they don't deserve justice either?

Al Vallario · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:09

SeanyK said:
There really is so many brainwashed and ignorant people in this thread...

How can ANYONE say Iraq is in a better position now?! The Country is in absolute TURMOIL and looks to get worse every day!

99% of the people that support it, are brainwashed by the media.

What about Bush, the hypocrite.

The people of Iraq, their country ruined, yet massive tankers of Oil heading straight to the US from Iraqi supplies, while the people in the country have no hot water, no electricity.

Perhaps you people who think Iraq is better off, had better put your thinking caps on and stop being so ignorant.

Do you live in Iraq? Did you live in Iraq before the invasion, and have you remained there since? Have you gauged the reactions of individual Iraqis on the ground both before and after the invasion?

Assuming the answers to all of the above questions are negative, you mean to tell me that you are basing your assessment of the situation in Iraq on media reports? The same media reports which are "brainwashing" people?

How apt.

*av

Vita · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:10

My Opinion on this is neutral. If he did kill those people then he deserved what he got. Otherwise, poor man. I think there will be more uproar now against sunni and shia muslims :\

SexyGreyFox · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:13

neocon said:
I want to see the evidence.

Please stay away from the keyboard.
Just give me one good reason why the Iraqi's would pretend to hang him.

Morlan said:
He gassed a few hundred people, shock horror. What an evil man

Nice to know there are sick people on here who have such a low value of life.

IMO - they should have kept the evil sadistic ******* where he was but given him a few ground rules about what he could and couldn't do to his people.

Mik3 · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:15

kitten_caboodle said:
are we all pretending that 4,5,600 years ago we didn't behave like that?

Thousands of people were beheaded or burnt at the stake for their beliefs. Women were legally killed for committing adultery - people were executed for simply saying what they believed or even what they thought. Thieves had their hands amputated, people were disembowelled and their internal organs removed while they were still alive as a punishment for something that most times they weren't even guilty of as justice was virtually unheard of. The entire Kingdom was ruled by power and terror and free speech or thought was punishable by a cruel and violent death.

What makes us so different?

It takes a long time to achieve democracy and you can't ignore the fact that the UK was just as bad, if not worse than other countries all those years ago.

People forget history to easy. The only reason the US united and created democracy was due to English incursions. It took us another 50 years until the power of he Crown was removed and democracy ruled, it took several centres for the Crown to give up power though, to think its going to happen overnight in Iraq is ridiculous.

Jet · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:19

Spie said:
No. He was the solution to preventing the civil war that has unfolded. He was exactly what that country needed. A dictator. Now more people are killed every 48 hours in Iraq than he was convicted of killing. The before and after scenario shows Iraq is far, far, worse off today.

We could also calm the country down again if we wanted. But it would involve killing whomever we wanted, whenever we wanted. Thankfully we aren't allowed to do that.

More people in 48 hours? Forgetting the fact that he is linked directly and indirectly to almost a million deaths. Just because he wasn't convicted of them is irrelevant.

stinka · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:21

Al Vallario said:
Do you live in Iraq? Did you live in Iraq before the invasion, and have you remained there since? Have you gauged the reactions of individual Iraqis on the ground both before and after the invasion?

Assuming the answers to all of the above questions are negative, you mean to tell me that you are basing your assessment of the situation in Iraq on media reports? The same media reports which are "brainwashing" people?

How apt.

*av

I saw a documentry on bbc or channel 4 in november, about current life in bagdad and everyone seemed to share the same opinion that saddam was brutal but life now is 10 times worse. everyone they spoke to just wanted to leave iraq but the only people that can get out are proffesionals like doctors, etc leaving only the laymen behind.

It was unbeliveable they were in a rich suburb one evening and all you could hear was gun fire and explosions, and its the same every night, gangs terrorising people, kidnapings murderings, its just insane

I cant see a way out, there will be a civil war that will last for years, and i reckon a new dictatorship will emerge putting them back 50 years, so what will we have achived other than tapping into iraq oil?

[TW]Fox · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:22

How have we 'tapped into' Iraqi oil? Iraq are still a member of OPEC which means the oil we buy from them is still no cheaper than it was before. It's made no real difference, surely?

kitten_caboodle · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:22

stinka said:
*stuff*

Don't forget though that everything you see on TV/read in the media can be manipulated to look however they want it to. I'm not saying that you're not right, I'm just saying be aware of that fact

Rosbif · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:25

I tell you I wish we did have some stolen Oil because then we'd have something to show for our time spent in Iraq. We havent gained anything at all. All we have to show is pockets being steadily emptied and dead soldiers being flown back home.

Al Vallario · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:29

Edit: Whoops, whoosh etc.

stinka · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:31

kitten_caboodle said:
Don't forget though that everything you see on TV/read in the media can be manipulated to look however they want it to. I'm not saying that you're not right, I'm just saying be aware of that fact

mate im well aware of what goes on in the media, with rupert murdoc owning sky and most of the tabloids, and his relationship with leading politicians etc

penski · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:31

Saddam 1, Rest of the world 0.

A sad day for humanity.

*n

divine` · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:36

Al Vallario said:
Have you got a reputable source stating that either the USA or UK have "stolen oil" from Iraq?

I didn't think so.

*av

He's saying he wishes we did steal some, why does he need a source for that?

Pulsedriver · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:46

Al Vallario said:
Do you live in Iraq? Did you live in Iraq before the invasion, and have you remained there since? Have you gauged the reactions of individual Iraqis on the ground both before and after the invasion?

Assuming the answers to all of the above questions are negative, you mean to tell me that you are basing your assessment of the situation in Iraq on media reports? The same media reports which are "brainwashing" people?

How apt.

*av

Oh dear, thankyou.

Don't suppose you thought people might still have family living over there? No... Didnt think so.

iCraig · 30 Dec 2006 at 13:50

Drazic said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6218485.stm

Every photo and vidoe we had of that little .............. were differnt people. Whats to say that he and them again didn't pull a fast one yet again!

Are you trying to say that he wasn't really executed? If so, go and find one of the uncut videos of his hanging that are currently littered around the net.