Saddam Hussein Executed

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:12

FrostedNipple said:
if you have no oxygen for 3mins you are 99.9% sure to have brain damage, 4mins and your brain is dead

howeven with a snapped neck i believe it is instat death, like being shot in the face

the only one ive ever heard of where you head lives for 10secs is the guilatine

It is not instant death, your brain is still active. your blood even with out the heart will still keep the brain alive for 10's of seconds. Just because you cant waive your arms talk or anything else apart from blink doesn't mean your dead.

I don't care if the majority go well, I still find any form of death penalty hard to swallow and ultimately wrong and barbaric.

Vegetarian · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:17

One thing of many I dont like about the death penalty... It does not let the person come to full repentance!

Macabre · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:27

AcidHell2 said:
It is not instant death, your brain is still active. your blood even with out the heart will still keep the brain alive for 10's of seconds. Just because you cant waive your arms talk or anything else apart from blink doesn't mean your dead.

I don't care if the majority go well, I still find any form of death penalty hard to swallow and ultimately wrong and barbaric.

House them in prisons? thats why UK prisons are so packed, and no doubt why they get easy sentences.

Do you know it costs over £33,000 a year to house one prisoner? Think about it thats coming off everybodies taxes including yours.

I hate pedophiles, and what I hate even more is that they get a few years in jail come out and do it again, its not good enough. Pedophiles ruin lives, ruin their victims life permanantly and also ruin those close to the victim. An example needs set such as pedophiles being put under a firing squad

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Not being barbaric at all but really UK prisons are a paradice, you can't deny it, nice comfy rooms with tvs and ps2's. Go back 300-400 years and it would be a cold brick sell with nothing and it would be hell. Obviously a country becomes more civilised and with civilisation followed by a democracy comes certain bad things. (Human rights party)

I have not looked in depth to Saddam's crimes so I can't say much about it as I do not know much about him or his history but I can say that he no doubt deserved what he got.

Vegetarian · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:30

They deffo should hang pedophiles....

The other end.... Get rid of the vital part!

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:32

Macabre said:
House them in prisons? thats why UK prisons are so packed, and no doubt why they get easy sentences.

Do you know it costs over £33,000 a year to house one prisoner? Think about it thats coming off everybodies taxes including yours.
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it doesn't have to cost that much give them 4 walls, a toilet and a bog. That certainly doesn't come to 33k a year. Sentrecnes are far to leaneant. I don't care what the offence is. If the courts think you will reafend, you should be released (ever). Be it gbh, killing, raping, shoplifting ect.
eaven offence should carry a minimum sentence as punishment with life if they think you refund. With more money going into education and rehabilitation. If they're safe to society why continue to punish them after there minimum sentence. But the same if they shoplifted and there going to go and do the same why release them.

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:35

Macabre said:
I have not looked in depth to Saddam's crimes so I can't say much about it as I do not know much about him or his history but I can say that he no doubt deserved what he got.

No doubt he was guilty, but why wasn't he tried at the Hague.., a court set up spercifacly for this kind of attrocieties (one simple reason bush wanted him dead with no problems). I don't agree with the death penalty under any circumstances, but if he was sentenced to that under a nutrall court I would feel better about it.

Macabre · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:35

Vegetarian said:
They deffo should hang pedophiles....

The other end.... Get rid of the vital part!

I think Pedophiles are the worst of the worst. They should get the death penalty once convicted, their scum and as soon as they get out they do it again and again. Firing squad you can terminate 10 of them in the time of one by hanging.

Macabre · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:37

AcidHell2 said:
it doesn't have to cost that much give them 4 walls, a toilet and a bog. That certainly doesn't come to 33k a year. Sentrecnes are far to leaneant. I don't care what the offence is. If the courts think you will reafend, you should be released (ever). Be it gbh, killing, raping, shoplifting ect.
eaven offence should carry a minimum sentence as punishment with life if they think you refund. With more money going into education and rehabilitation. If they're safe to society why continue to punish them after there minimum sentence. But the same if they shoplifted and there going to go and do the same why release them.

M8, im not making it up, I have studied crime and the law so I know statistics aren't wrong.

No its a complicated issue, I'd give my view but it would take a while to type that up.

megatron · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:38

AcidHell2 said:
It is not instant death, your brain is still active. your blood even with out the heart will still keep the brain alive for 10's of seconds. Just because you cant waive your arms talk or anything else apart from blink doesn't mean your dead.

I don't care if the majority go well, I still find any form of death penalty hard to swallow and ultimately wrong and barbaric.

Saddamn Hussain was spared public stoning! I thought that was par for the course in Iraq. IMO Saddamn Hussain deserved stoning rather than just your regular housewife who commited adultery.

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:39

Macabre said:
M8, im not making it up, I have studied crime and the law so I know statistics aren't wrong.

????

I'm not saying the statistics are wrong, I merely saying it doesn't have to be that way.

megatron said:
Saddamn Hussain was spared public stoning! I thought that was par for the course in Iraq. IMO Saddamn Hussain deserved stoning rather than just your regular housewife who commited adultery.

So let him sit in prison and let him think about what he has done. If he wants to commit suicide that's his choice, free will and all.

Macabre · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:39

AcidHell2 said:
No doubt he was guilty, but why wasn't he tried at the Hague.., a court set up spercifacly for this kind of attrocieties (one simple reason bush wanted him dead with no problems). I don't agree with the death penalty under any circumstances, but if he was sentenced to that under a nutrall court I would feel better about it.

No, Saddam killed Kurds and many Iraqis, therefore to be honest its really their business. Even though he could have been tried at the hague, having him tried in an Iraqi court and using Iraqi proceedings and law it symbolizes the first step forward in Iraq's future.

Samtheman1k · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:39

vonhelmet said:
Lethal injection is arguably cruel and unusual, which means it is technically illegal under the US constitution.

WTF? I guess you know nothing about arount 12 states of america!

Macabre · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:41

AcidHell2 said:
???? I'm not saying the statistics are wrong, I merely saying it doesn't have to be that way.

I know that, but im stating the truth for anyone. And yes your right 100% it doesn't have to be that way, prison doesn't need to be a heaven like it is in the UK, no wonder no one learns their lesson its not like their going to be given the worst time in their life.

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:42

Macabre said:
I know that, but im stating the truth for anyone. And yes your right 100% it doesn't have to be that way, prison doesn't need to be a heaven like it is in the UK, no wonder no one learns their lesson its not like their going to be given the worst time in their life.

That's why I think prison should be like the old days. 4 stone walls, stone (cold, hard bed) toilet. That's it. lower minimum sentences, but if they thin you'll reafend no maximum sentence.

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:44

Samtheman1k said:
WTF? I guess you know nothing about arount 12 states of america!

In certain states electric chair was considered un constitutional, that's why they offer lethal gassing. If that's decided un constitutional then they supply the firing squad. Just because it happens doesn't mean it can't be come un constitutional.

Macabre · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:44

AcidHell2 said:
So let him sit in prison and let him think about what he has done. If he wants to commit suicide that's his choice, free will and all.

And waste even more money? you know how much it costs for all his trials, legal fees, lawyer fees etc? then add on top his prison cell + food + clothing etc. It costs too much, especially in the condition iraq is in now.

Besides if he commits sucide, sure he may be dead but that isn't justice to the many families who have been affected. Take Slobadan Milosivich for example, he died in custody, families felt no justice was done.

AJUK · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:47

AcidHell2 said:
No doubt he was guilty, but why wasn't he tried at the Hague.., a court set up spercifacly for this kind of attrocieties (one simple reason bush wanted him dead with no problems). I don't agree with the death penalty under any circumstances, but if he was sentenced to that under a nutrall court I would feel better about it.

I agree, Saddam should have stood trial at the Hague for everything that he did and not just the one charge for which he was hanged. The main reason for this is so that every attrocity he commited would be officially recorded and therefore his victims would be noted in history. Now we will never really know the full extent of his tyranny.

Of course, if he faced the Hague he wouldn't have been sentenced to death. Therefore, it is very easy to conclude that he did not face a fair trial because they (the US) engineered the whole trial in order to see him executed. Then there is the other issue of US custody and Saddam's status as a prisoner of war. Showing his face is against the Geneva Conventions let alone hanging him, unless, of course, he war is officially over. It certainly doesn't look like it to me.

The whole thing is a flagrant abuse of justice at best and a disgusting spctacle at worst.

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:48

Macabre said:
And waste even more money? you know how much it costs for all his trials, legal fees, lawyer fees etc? then add on top his prison cell + food + clothing etc. It costs too much, especially in the condition iraq is in now.

So in this case it shouldnt be down to iraq, he was the legal ruler of Iraq and so should not of been on trial. He should have been on trial in an international court. He's sentence would have been the same or life imprisonment, but at least we would have been on the good side. However as it turned out,, we are only slightly better than him. Sentence people to death with no chance of defence. Weather that be a mincer feet first or the gallows.

Macabre said:
Besides if he commits sucide, sure he may be dead but that isn't justice to the many families who have been affected. Take Slobadan Milosivich for example, he died in custody, families felt no justice was done.

Family should NEVER EVER EVER have any say in the sentence, there are after all are emotionally evolved(the whole point of a fair legal system)

Macabre · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:49

AcidHell2 said:
That's why I think prison should be like the old days. 4 stone walls, stone (cold, hard bed) toilet. That's it. lower minimum sentences, but if they thin you'll reafend no maximum sentence.

Depends, the sentences are a disgrace but thats due to many factors such as the prisons being so full they can't afford or have the space to put them anywhere. Thats where electronic tagging came into place, but thats not very effective imo.

Im going to use this is as its relevent. In 1994 in Florida legislators and voters voted in a 3 strike system. Basically this meant that say the criminal commits a serious crime, im talking such as Robbery etc (not including murder) but basically say they commited Robbery they would get say 3 years, do it again they get say 6 years. Do it again and they get life with no parole. 3 Strike system very effective and has proven effective.

Alough obviously you have to take terms in with that such as say someone has a drug abuse issue etc alough thats going back into complicated issues but just take the 3 strike system. I think this is very effective.

Glaucus · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:51

Macabre said:
Depends, the sentences are a disgrace but thats due to many factors such as the prisons being so full they can't afford or have the space to put them anywhere. Thats where electronic tagging came into place, but thats not very effective imo.

Im going to use this is as its relevent. In 1994 in Florida legislators and voters voted in a 3 strike system. Basically this meant that say the criminal commits a serious crime, im talking such as Robbery etc (not including murder) but basically say they commited Robbery they would get say 3 years, do it again they get say 6 years. Do it again and they get life with no parole. 3 Strike system very effective and has proven effective.

Altough obviously you have to take terms in with that such as say someone has a drug abuse issue etc alough thats going back into complicated issues but just take the 3 strike system. I think this is very effective.

But again, that's not supporting the death sentence, that's merely stating are system is wrong. I've already stated that it is. Half of the electronics tags aren't even monitored due to man power. That's of several police not the newspaper.