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I'm all on board for an EV, soon as they release the right model for me.
Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040
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If cars didn't exist until now and they were just about to be invented, what fuel option would you chose?
One that requires a huge investment in building dedicated infrastructure to supply liquid based flammable fuel where you need to travel out of your way to add more, or one that uses a rechargeable fuel system that can be built in a factory installed in a vehicle and, for the most part, be charged without ever going out of your way, and even when you do the infrastructure is already there to supply power to the buildings etc.?
We as a civilisation invented cars and the current fuel system, and there are lots of fingers in lots of pies that are getting richer every day by sustaining this, while the health of people and the environment suffer. Greed usually drives motives.
Ask yourself this, what is optimal to you? Is it always about what is cheapest and, fastest, and easiest, or do you even begin to consider other options now they are available? Do you bundle yourself with the above, where unless its suits you and you alone, is compromise never worth it?
Sadly the majority of people in well off parts of the world generally fall into super selfish behaviours, and change and inconvenience are not welcomed as the right to do as you please when you please trumps everything else. I dread to think how people would cope if they had to grow there own food, and walk a few miles to get clean water if they can't fathom that charging a car a little slower than filling it with fuel etc. is such a big deal.
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This is where its going, I can see this sort of technology being hugely benificial in a city and quite possibly being the only way to travel in decades to come.
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We have been through all this before, 140 years ago.
After steam, pretty much the first mechanically powered road vehicles were electric BEV.
ICE, even in its primitive state over 100 years ago, and with the primitive state of the petroleum and fuel industry at that time, ICE for road transport very quickly proved its superiourity.
Pretty sure even Henry Ford originally thought in terms of BEV's to begin with, but was so impressed with the idea of an ICE propelled vehicle that "Could make its own power as it went along" that he quickly dropped the idea.
EVs dont really fix the emissions problem though, its just moving it somewhere else. Instead of most of the environmental damage being in major cities, it'll be in the countryside. Great :\
Modern cars are already pretty clean. You have to drive an EV in to 6 figure miliage for it to pay for itself in emissions.
Where do you get such nonsense from? I'm charging my car right now using sunshine. Also, even when there are emissions - then yes - moving their production to less populated areas IS better.
I'll do you a deal - you lock yourself in an airtight garage overnight with one of your 'pretty clean' cars - see how well you fair.
I know you're just playing a character on here, but this has been covered enough times that we both know full well that you know it isn't true.
BEVs bring the possibility of substantially lower emissions, given the right circumstances.
No it doesn’t and no they don’t.
In nashers eyes pretty clean = kids growing up in city centres developing asthma due to polluted air from motor vehicles and space heating.
We have been through all this before, 140 years ago.
No we haven't since we didn't have the technology we have now.
I said now, not 120-140 years ago. At least actually read rather than just quote and go off on one blindly.
Yes, because the electricity production is the only aspect of EV manufacture that has any environmental consequences associated with it....!
(And even then PV cell manufacture isn't exactly a clean business)
But if we were starting from scratch, we wouldn't have any of the current technology we now have would we.
Taking your question literally, we would face the same issues today that engineers faced 120 years ago.
And being able to carry nearly 100KWhrs worth of energy as a liquid in a small can that even a Woman could carry easily is a very hard technical advantage to beat.
As is of course, albeit with not the greatest of efficiency, the ability to turn that liquid energy into useful mechanical power using simple lightweight machinery made out of, inexpensive and readily available materials like Iron, Steel and Aluminium as opposed to somewhat exotic, costly and sometimes even really quite hard to come by ones like Copper, rare earths and whatever.
Again, read, I said cars... Not anything else, transportation. I didn't say plastics didn't exist or Li-ion batteries, or anything else.
But I know not to bother with people like you, if you want to stay stuck in the past then feel free to do so, and enjoy buying your last 'new' ICE car in 2034.
Oh look I can
too... what a spanner.I wasn't referring to the circumstances of end users, but production circumstances. Lifetime GHG emissions for a BEV vary hugely depending on the energy mix used throughout the lifecycle. On a 100% carbon-free or renewable energy mix, there's a chasm between the GHG impact of petrol/diesel and BEV. On dirtier fuel mixes, the gap is smaller. And on really dirty fuel mixes (e.g. 100% coal), petrol and diesel are probably cleaner.
We cannot go carbon neutral by 2050 by sticking with petrol and diesel. But it's possible by moving to BEV. That is what's driving the legislation.
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Wait there. If we had no cars and oil until right now we wouldn’t be anywhere near the technology of batteries. We would be in 1900 still so the point is really quite irrelevant about starting nowAgain, read, I said cars... Not anything else, transportation. I didn't say plastics didn't exist or Li-ion batteries, or anything else.
But I know not to bother with people like you, if you want to stay stuck in the past then feel free to do so, and enjoy buying your last 'new' ICE car in 2034.
Oh look I can
if we started right now we would do exactly the same. Just like we first lit homes with whale fat.
also if we started right now we wouldn’t be bothered about the atmosphere. Just like we wouldn’t be bothered about filling the sea with plastic.
Don’t be so arrogant to think we are somehow cleverer than those before us. Oil has driven the world for 100yrs for all the advances it has given us.
Assuming I am still driving, I will probably still be running one of the vehicles I currently have. (all but my Luton Van are already over 20 years old)
I like machines I can fix myself. Indeed, my retirement economic model relies on my being able to do so.
Modern cars generally, even the ICE ones, are rapidly becoming rich mans toys since any but the most limited DIY is out of the question for most people these days.
But that is another story.
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#Brexit
At a certain level the question is about as relevant as asking how you would have filled out your lotto ticket the day after the draw if you could go back and do it again.
As far as my Crystal Balls are concerned. If I could go back 120 years or so, I would have never converted the navy to Oil, I would have tried to find a way of improving the use of coal to achieve similar performance (Fluidised bed burners perhaps)
Converting navy ships to oil drove Britain's early policy in the ME and look where that got us all.
While I am not suggesting that we should have gone all steam punk, there is enough coal under the North Sea to meet all Britain's energy requirements for many thousands of years.
And again, whether we use it or not will have absolutely no impact on the global situation, but doing so would give us a breathing space to develop new technologies cautiously over time rather than trying to carry out some sort of trillion pound+ Stalinist 5 year plan.