Sam Allardyce - Sacked as England manager amid corruption investigation

Sam is innocent!

Apparently he only agreed to do the "interview" out of the goodness of his own heart to help out an old friend (agent) down on his luck and that greed at the prospect of getting £400,000 for a speech had nothing to do with it.

So, in effect, he was being a good Samaritan, and everyone, me included, who thinks he was a shady, greedy, crooked individual looking to add to his not inconsiderable fortune by abusing his well paid position of power, ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I hang my head in shame for ever misjudging this paragon of virtue that is Sam Allardyce, football's very own Saint Teresa.

Sorry Sam.
 
£1million to go quickly or a potentially long and embarrassing court case?

The FA will want to move on as quickly as possible.

Has he done anything illegal?

He has clearly brought the FA / game into disrepute which is likely to be a sackable offense, so he's unlikely to be able to claim unfair dismissal.
 
Completely

Im surprised there are so many trying to blame the press about it

If he wanted the job so bad (England Manager) then he shouldnt have done anything at all like this until after he left the job - not dis-similar to Ex-presidents/PM's getting millions for public speaking after they leave office etc


Presidents and PMs do speeches after being in government for security and appearance reasons. They are heads of states and have a 24/7 job and shouldn't be going off to do a talk to some group of oil barons because taking half a mil to do such a speech then giving that country more relaxed duties or whatever is a conflict of interest in the extreme while UK tax payers would have to pay heavily to make such a meeting secure.


Current managers give paid speeches all the time in many industries let alone just football. Why is it okay for Fergie to give a paid talk while he was in his job, and it's fine for Hodgson to do paid tv work and it's fine for every other manager to do paid work outside of their main job but Allardyce doing it is somehow wrong?

The reasons for him to not do it and heads of state to not do it are not the same. He won't be kidnapped to hold an entire country to ransom nor does he have any hand in any deal that can be influenced by outside payment in his role. Don't use that rule, abide by these rules to have a cut in a player simply isn't illegal, again the Pogba deal, third party ownership still exists, it's just done within the rules via agents and believing telling someone that is a sackable offence... when the FA have made that allowable by the rules, is ridiculous.
 
Our press are poison though. Horrible lot.

But nothing to do with some managers (Sam) being a greedy ****, i couldn't believe he had the nerve to say "Entrapment has won on this occasion" just lol

Bunch of overpaid greedy ******s, that is most of what football is today.
 
I'm surprised you can't see the difference, DM. This is the England manager job, the most high level of FA ambassadors.
 
I guess if he was just doing punditry and or TV appearances then there wouldn't be an issue. I think the fact he's on there on camera mocking his employer, mocking the previous manager, mocking the previous assistant manager and telling them not to worry about the rules of the game as he knows ways round them all the while quaffing a pint of wine.

He's resigned because he's shown himself to be a complete and utter fool, disrespecting the nation he represents and the employers that pay his salary. This is in no way comparable to a bit of punditry on the side, it was 400K in exchange for information regarding circumventing FIFA and FA rules concerning 3rd party player rights.
 
Let's stop right there. We're not talking about "TV work", nor a bit of punditry, nor some FA-approved promotional work on the side. It's disingenuous to even mention this. The video clearly shows him discussing how to get round rules on third party ownership and benefit financially from setting up meetings in this regard. Shady stuff. And yes, to his credit he baulks at the more serious stuff concerning bungs.

But mud sticks, you're right. Which is why it's foolish to smear it over yourself at the first opportunity you get when starting a new job. Whether any of this is "nothing new" or not is irrelevant.

Whether or not anyone likes Allardyce is also irrelevant in any of this. As it happens, I had a fair bit of respect for his no-nonsense approach to management and always enjoyed his interviews. Respect that's lost now.

Nonsense, you specifically brought up how this is totally wrong because he gets paid millions to do his job and doing any other paid work is clearly immoral. I've pointed out why this is completely ridiculous and now you're trying to back track on what you said.

It's fine for them to do other paid work as long as you say so, and not fine for them to do other paid work as long as you say so...


There are plenty of LEGAL ways the FA ALLOWS to own players third party, there is in no way anyone could explain agents influence and being paid as anything but third party ownership. His discussing this is almost certainly to say, yes, to do it legally in a way the FA allows means doing step 1 through 5 here. If discussing how you can legally get a part of a player according to the rules is grounds for dismissal... well, that is rather odd wouldn't you say? You're having trouble with the wording, getting around one rule... but using another rule, is not illegal, maybe he explained in the video exactly what he meant by getting around the rule and maybe they left that sound bite in precisely because it sounds bad... but there is zero actual implication that he was going to explain to them how to illegally or against the rules get around third party ownership... you're reading that into it as the article implied this.

Either way, you can't on one hand say, it's completely wrong to do other work rather than just buckling down to the job you've been paid to do.... while saying it's entirely fine for other England managers to do paid TV work. Either they can do work outside of their main job or they can't. What you're saying is he can do paid tv work, but a paid meet and greet is immoral, with zero justification as to why.
 
Might as well roll the next England manager poll out again.

Yeah, i dont think he did to bad until he opened his mouth on some of his views, I have said for years, he should be given a another chance, whether that's now i don't know but it can't get much worse.

As another poster said, it wasn't football results that got him sacked.
 
I guess if he was just doing punditry and or TV appearances then there wouldn't be an issue. I think the fact he's on there on camera mocking his employer, mocking the previous manager, mocking the previous assistant manager and telling them not to worry about the rules of the game as he knows ways round them all the while quaffing a pint of wine.

He's resigned because he's shown himself to be a complete and utter fool, disrespecting the nation he represents and the employers that pay his salary. This is in no way comparable to a bit of punditry on the side, it was 400K in exchange for information regarding circumventing FIFA and FA rules concerning 3rd party player rights.

It was 400k for 4 meet and greets which he said the FA had to approve or he wouldn't accept, but don't let that stop you. This is how the world works, people do paid meet and greets, they do it for access to the person being paid, they want access for his experience and knowledge. Every single paid speech just about in the world given by famous people and leaders in industry is the same. You get paid to 'make a speech' but the people paying are really paying for the 2 hour sitting around a table getting advice from the guy afterwards about some deal they want to get done.


Somehow people have convinced themselves that a ban on official third party ownership has prevented it happening... it hasn't. The FA put in a for appearances only ban and left a billion legal and by the rules ways to enable third party ownership. If it's legal to have an agent be paid 1/5th of a transfer, and be able to encourage the player to move purely because it will mean a big pay day for both, then nothing has changed. If the FA allow this, and they do, then Fat Sam being paid to explain to someone how to do it is simply not shady or crooked.

I'll tell you how to get around those rules..... is what is on the video, what could be on the video and left out is,

A:-yeah, you can just use these other rules which are fine and the FA allows and everyone does.

or

b: yeah, use a secret account in the caymans, fiddle your papers and have secret ownership no one knows about... it's totally against the rules but the FA will never know.

Now, if B was on the video... wouldn't that be worth being shown? If A is on there, it doesn't make for a great story does it. It could be either, there could be legal reasons they didn't want to show B, or it could be neither and the paper and people in this thread are just assuming it's B and discounting the possibility it's A.

I fail to see anything illegal or out right wrong. Everyone on here constantly called Hodgson Woy and said he was a joke and much worse things, but if Sam says that in a private meeting.... he should be fired? Saying his bosses are idiots, again, would any of you think it fair to be fired if you tell one of your friends in a private conversation that your companies expansion was a bad idea? Yeah, it's not great those things got on camera and leaked but neither are remotely sack worthy statements.

The only remotely obviously against the rules conversation during the meeting, when asked about bungs... he specifically stated no to, don't do it, don't talk about it, don't talk to me about it again, nope, blah blah blah.

So he says no to the bungs(buried at the bottom of the article and left out of the video)... but definitely is going to tell them how to break the rules on something else, does that compute?
 
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Agreed that Big Sam has been a complete tool and deserves to go.
But jesus christ, our press/media are just complete utter disgraceful people. It's complete entrapment and I don't see any other country literally trying to sabotage their nations coaches/politicians etc
Absolute bottom of the barrel these people.

I agree with some press bashing etc but if they didn't do it how would we find out about dodgy politicians, football figures etc etc?
 
I'm surprised you can't see the difference, DM. This is the England manager job, the most high level of FA ambassadors.

The FA and the entire world of football is and always has been corrupt, only people who kid themselves into believing otherwise somehow think being an ambassador for a corrupt organisation actually means anything. Remember the "zomg, you realise I took this 60k watch as a gift while in my role with the FA... I totally meant to give that to charity", you think that is a rare occurrence. I'd also say that Prince William is the most high level of FA ambassadors, seeing as his job title is ambassador for the FA(or something along those lines) and he's the Prince of England, but maybe that's just me.

The FA are worried about his perceived corruption incase they go looking into FA members for their corruption.
 
Shearer as a manager has done nothing of note, you can't appoint someone just because they were a great player.

And what has fat Sam done that is of note? Besides putting out boring team after team and doing dodgy deal after dodgy deal going back to his Bolton days, there are many more like him.

I would place a bet that if you looked through all his game stats going back to when he started as a manager that 75% of his games only involved 0 to 1 goal scored by his team, at whatever club he was at.
 
Redknapp would be a good shout as well.

He has in the past been upto the same tricks as Sam has, surely they would not appoint him, even though i agree, he would be good for the team possibly, but he has to much in his wardrobe, if he hadn't, he would have been manager in the past 5 years at some point.
 
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Presidents and PMs do spee....

along with the other things you've said. there's a fine line between being a consultant and networking and being out for personal gain. allerdyce is the latter.

a couple of months into the job, he's out to fill his pockets even more by essentially making a mockery of his employers and their ex employees and most importantly of all, the fans.

he knew his position was now unattainable, that's why he quit. if you look at the tv interviews he's given since quitting he has said pretty much it was a naive decision.

whether he'd technically done anything wrong is irrelevant and i'm sure if he wanted to turn into a complete slimeball, he'd have lawyers challenging it and could probably, from a legal stance, prove he'd not actually done anything wrong.

but it's the nature of his character that these moves have shown to the public that he is not the man the fa or the fans want in such a high profile role. there's loads of shady practices out there that are technically legal but you wouldn't want to work with anyone involved in them unless you're a greedy pig because sooner or later, you'll get bitten.

this is a major embarassment for the fa and i can't believe they're stupid enough to pay him £1m!
 
Has he done anything illegal?

He has clearly brought the FA / game into disrepute which is likely to be a sackable offense, so he's unlikely to be able to claim unfair dismissal.

He is entitled to due process. This payment will have been in lieu of due process.
 
It was 400k for 4 meet and greets which he said the FA had to approve or he wouldn't accept, but don't let that stop you. This is how the world works, people do paid meet and greets, they do it for access to the person being paid, they want access for his experience and knowledge. Every single paid speech just about in the world given by famous people and leaders in industry is the same. You get paid to 'make a speech' but the people paying are really paying for the 2 hour sitting around a table getting advice from the guy afterwards about some deal they want to get done.


Somehow people have convinced themselves that a ban on official third party ownership has prevented it happening... it hasn't. The FA put in a for appearances only ban and left a billion legal and by the rules ways to enable third party ownership. If it's legal to have an agent be paid 1/5th of a transfer, and be able to encourage the player to move purely because it will mean a big pay day for both, then nothing has changed. If the FA allow this, and they do, then Fat Sam being paid to explain to someone how to do it is simply not shady or crooked.

I'll tell you how to get around those rules..... is what is on the video, what could be on the video and left out is,

A:-yeah, you can just use these other rules which are fine and the FA allows and everyone does.

or

b: yeah, use a secret account in the caymans, fiddle your papers and have secret ownership no one knows about... it's totally against the rules but the FA will never know.

Now, if B was on the video... wouldn't that be worth being shown? If A is on there, it doesn't make for a great story does it. It could be either, there could be legal reasons they didn't want to show B, or it could be neither and the paper and people in this thread are just assuming it's B and discounting the possibility it's A.

I fail to see anything illegal or out right wrong. Everyone on here constantly called Hodgson Woy and said he was a joke and much worse things, but if Sam says that in a private meeting.... he should be fired? Saying his bosses are idiots, again, would any of you think it fair to be fired if you tell one of your friends in a private conversation that your companies expansion was a bad idea? Yeah, it's not great those things got on camera and leaked but neither are remotely sack worthy statements.

The only remotely obviously against the rules conversation during the meeting, when asked about bungs... he specifically stated no to, don't do it, don't talk about it, don't talk to me about it again, nope, blah blah blah.

So he says no to the bungs(buried at the bottom of the article and left out of the video)... but definitely is going to tell them how to break the rules on something else, does that compute?


All of that is only a small part of the his issue though and probably not the entire reason they all decided to part company by mutual consent. Its folly to focus on one aspect and argue to the toss if this was right or wrong when the bigger picture includes him disrespecting his employer and mocking the previous coach and support staff. That alone is worthy of questioning how suitable he was for the job.

I employ people, if they openly ridiculed me and the company then I'm not sure I would be that happy about it, especially if I am paying that person £60K a week.
 
It was 400k for 4 meet and greets which he said the FA had to approve or he wouldn't accept, but don't let that stop you. This is how the world works, people do paid meet and greets, they do it for access to the person being paid, they want access for his experience and knowledge. Every single paid speech just about in the world given by famous people and leaders in industry is the same. You get paid to 'make a speech' but the people paying are really paying for the 2 hour sitting around a table getting advice from the guy afterwards about some deal they want to get done.


Somehow people have convinced themselves that a ban on official third party ownership has prevented it happening... it hasn't. The FA put in a for appearances only ban and left a billion legal and by the rules ways to enable third party ownership. If it's legal to have an agent be paid 1/5th of a transfer, and be able to encourage the player to move purely because it will mean a big pay day for both, then nothing has changed. If the FA allow this, and they do, then Fat Sam being paid to explain to someone how to do it is simply not shady or crooked.

I'll tell you how to get around those rules..... is what is on the video, what could be on the video and left out is,

A:-yeah, you can just use these other rules which are fine and the FA allows and everyone does.

or

b: yeah, use a secret account in the caymans, fiddle your papers and have secret ownership no one knows about... it's totally against the rules but the FA will never know.

Now, if B was on the video... wouldn't that be worth being shown? If A is on there, it doesn't make for a great story does it. It could be either, there could be legal reasons they didn't want to show B, or it could be neither and the paper and people in this thread are just assuming it's B and discounting the possibility it's A.

I fail to see anything illegal or out right wrong. Everyone on here constantly called Hodgson Woy and said he was a joke and much worse things, but if Sam says that in a private meeting.... he should be fired? Saying his bosses are idiots, again, would any of you think it fair to be fired if you tell one of your friends in a private conversation that your companies expansion was a bad idea? Yeah, it's not great those things got on camera and leaked but neither are remotely sack worthy statements.

The only remotely obviously against the rules conversation during the meeting, when asked about bungs... he specifically stated no to, don't do it, don't talk about it, don't talk to me about it again, nope, blah blah blah.

So he says no to the bungs(buried at the bottom of the article and left out of the video)... but definitely is going to tell them how to break the rules on something else, does that compute?

I get what your saying but an England manager should never be caught in that kind of situation.

It was just foolish and naive of him to be caught like that.

He has made his employers and the nation look bad and he knows it.
 
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