Sam Allardyce - Sacked as England manager amid corruption investigation

Its a mockery of the FA and the inability to force the rules.

Someone actually telling people how it really is instead of the useless face of the FA corporate machine it thinks it is, where in reality its ineffective and pointless in this day and age (England team aside)
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...t-clot-england-manager?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Relatively good article, it pretty much says that Allardyce has some shady connections, his agent has had a history of dodgyness but the actual quotes shown and the actual things said on the video by Allardyce is nothing at all dodgy or bad and nothing most people in his position wouldn't do.

He effectively signed up for £400k for 4 meet and greets in the far east, nothing more or less. The quote they point out was hidden right at the bottom of the Telegraph's article was that when asked about bungs for getting a player signed or transferred he specifically said no to all of it and to not talk about it with him, that you can't do it any more. This doesn't mean he doesn't do it, just that he certainly wasn't talking to them about it and certainly wasn't caught on camera recommending they do this or that he'd help, it was the opposite.

This has pretty much been an assassination of Allardyce via implication and writing the articles constantly mentioning bungs and dodgy payments without the video suggesting anything of the sort. being fired or asked to leave over what is on those videos is frankly pretty laughable. It's embarrassing purely because the telegraph painted the videos as much worse than they were and the general public having zero idea what really was said, what it means, why it meant nothing. It's embarrassing solely because people don't understand what was being discussed, explaining it to people who don't get it will come across as defending illegal actions and can't really be debated sensibly so the only way out is to resign and save face.

Anything dodgy Allardyce can actually be linked/rumoured to be linked to are all older and no one cared about them despite them all being known before he was appointed, now something else completely fine gets discussed on camera and somehow it's a problem....
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...t-clot-england-manager?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Relatively good article, it pretty much says that Allardyce has some shady connections, his agent has had a history of dodgyness but the actual quotes shown and the actual things said on the video by Allardyce is nothing at all dodgy or bad and nothing most people in his position wouldn't do.

He effectively signed up for £400k for 4 meet and greets in the far east, nothing more or less. The quote they point out was hidden right at the bottom of the Telegraph's article was that when asked about bungs for getting a player signed or transferred he specifically said no to all of it and to not talk about it with him, that you can't do it any more. This doesn't mean he doesn't do it, just that he certainly wasn't talking to them about it and certainly wasn't caught on camera recommending they do this or that he'd help, it was the opposite.

This has pretty much been an assassination of Allardyce via implication and writing the articles constantly mentioning bungs and dodgy payments without the video suggesting anything of the sort. being fired or asked to leave over what is on those videos is frankly pretty laughable. It's embarrassing purely because the telegraph painted the videos as much worse than they were and the general public having zero idea what really was said, what it means, why it meant nothing. It's embarrassing solely because people don't understand what was being discussed, explaining it to people who don't get it will come across as defending illegal actions and can't really be debated sensibly so the only way out is to resign and save face.

Anything dodgy Allardyce can actually be linked/rumoured to be linked to are all older and no one cared about them despite them all being known before he was appointed, now something else completely fine gets discussed on camera and somehow it's a problem....

Ultimately it comes down to this - if he had rolled up his sleeves and got on with the job of MANAGING the England team (you know, the job he was being paid millions to do) rather than trying to moonlight and set up dodgy deals behind the scenes, then he wouldn't be in this mess. His choice. His loss.
 
Ultimately it comes down to this - if he had rolled up his sleeves and got on with the job of MANAGING the England team (you know, the job he was being paid millions to do) rather than trying to moonlight and set up dodgy deals behind the scenes, then he wouldn't be in this mess. His choice. His loss.

Exactly.

Can't believe people actually defending this crooked cretin.
 
Ultimately it comes down to this - if he had rolled up his sleeves and got on with the job of MANAGING the England team (you know, the job he was being paid millions to do) rather than trying to moonlight and set up dodgy deals behind the scenes, then he wouldn't be in this mess. His choice. His loss.

Except he wasn't trying to set up dodgy deals, and every single England manager I can think of moonlighted with other jobs. Fergie amongst many other top managers give motivational speeches, management speeches and plenty of other things while they were full time managers and highly paid for them. Plenty of current and ex players and managers are paid for meet and greet sessions. You can go to ex pro nights at most clubs where they put on a small or large scale parties where maybe there will be one ex pro per table of 6-10 people, you get to hear stories, some main speakers, again all paid.

How many England managers went to do pundit work on other games? Because that is all paid work, there are exceptionally few, in fact likely NO international managers in the past 30 years who didn't moonlight in other jobs and most of them probably also did meet and greet, paid appearances and tv work. For the record, international manager is in no way a full time job and again, every single international manager I've ever seen does tv work outside of their own games precisely because they have so much spare time. But then most club managers also do tv work outside of their own games. Wenger did(not sure he does anymore) pundit and I think some commentary work for foreign TV during international games and tournaments. Plenty of club players and other managers do the same, plenty of injured players do pundit work if their team is live that weekend. So it's fine for everyone else in the entire industry to moonlight, but as of yesterday the England manager can't because......every previous England manager also did?

Allardyce was talking about 4 100k per time meet and greet sessions with the investors, nothing more or less.

Exactly.

Can't believe people actually defending this crooked cretin.

Name the crooked thing he was caught admitting to in the video. I can't believe people who see a few terms like dodgy and bung in an article that wasn't anything to do with the video would immediately find him guilty on all non existent charges then have a pop at people actually using common sense to point out what he did was both normal and not crooked. But you go ahead and not understand what Allardyce did or said in the video. He literally ended up resigning because people can't understand a hatchet job that even showed he clearly said a clear and loud NO to bungs in the video(it was not shown as the article didn't have all the footage but they showed the quote at the bottom of the article).

I personally believe he's crooked, but this video doesn't prove it, the rumour about him being crooked are about influencing contracts with players that use the same agent as him. There were rumours of it happening at Bolton, West Ham and Newcastle I believe. Those rumours and allegations have been around for YEARS and no one gave a damn when he was appointed manager. This video showed zero evidence of a single dodgy thing. In the video he said he would ONLY TAKE THE JOB IF THE FA APPROVED. If he's crooked or not is one question, one absolutely no one cared about before yesterday(despite a lot of allegations), yesterdays video of him has zero evidence of any wrong doing, yet suddenly everyone hates him for being crooked.

I stated WHEN HE WAS APPOINTED, that he was both a not great manager and dodgy as hell and shouldn't get the job, I also stated he should go after the insane statements he made about Rooney deciding what he does on the pitch and where he plays, that doesn't mean I can't watch a video and see the truth of what he said. He deserved to be fired after the Rooney statements basically made it clear he wasn't even doing the job, he never deserved the job in the first place, he is probably crooked, but always was, he doesn't deserve to be fired over a video talking about being paid for meet and greets and to tell investors how most people deal with transfers in europe(massive agent fees that have gone through the roof since third party ownership was banned... that is no coincidence) nor specifically refusing to discuss any kind of bungs and outright saying you can't do them.
 
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I've watched all of the available video and read all of these articles, but ultimately you have to read between the lines. It's clear he's out to line his own pockets (having just been given the job no less) and he clearly mentions/discusses things he shouldn't be discussing in that context - like how it's easy to avoid FA rules.

Its far from the most crooked thing I've seen, but it doesn't sit right with me. After his comments about Rooney being allowed to do whatever he likes, we've dodged a huge bullet anyway, he's obviously hopeless.
 
Except he wasn't trying to set up dodgy deals, and every single England manager I can think of moonlighted with other jobs. Fergie amongst many other top managers give motivational speeches, management speeches and plenty of other things while they were full time managers and highly paid for them. Plenty of current and ex players and managers are paid for meet and greet sessions. You can go to ex pro nights at most clubs where they put on a small or large scale parties where maybe there will be one ex pro per table of 6-10 people, you get to hear stories, some main speakers, again all paid.

How many England managers went to do pundit work on other games? Because that is all paid work, there are exceptionally few, in fact likely NO international managers in the past 30 years who didn't moonlight in other jobs and most of them probably also did meet and greet, paid appearances and tv work.

Allardyce was talking about 4 100k per time meet and greet sessions with the investors, nothing more or less.



Name the crooked thing he was caught admitting to in the video. I can't believe people who see a few terms like dodgy and bung in an article that wasn't anything to do with the video would immediately find him guilty on all non existent charges then have a pop at people actually using common sense to point out what he did was both normal and not crooked. But you go ahead and not understand what Allardyce did or said in the video. He literally ended up resigning because people can't understand a hatchet job that even showed he clearly said a clear and loud NO to bungs in the video(it was not shown as the article didn't have all the footage but they showed the quote at the bottom of the article).

I personally believe he's crooked, but this video doesn't prove it, the rumour about him being crooked are about influencing contracts with players that use the same agent as him. There were rumours of it happening at Bolton, West Ham and Newcastle I believe. Those rumours and allegations have been around for YEARS and no one gave a damn when he was appointed manager. This video showed zero evidence of a single dodgy thing. In the video he said he would ONLY TAKE THE JOB IF THE FA APPROVED. If he's crooked or not is one question, one absolutely no one cared about before yesterday(despite a lot of allegations), yesterdays video of him has zero evidence of any wrong doing, yet suddenly everyone hates him for being crooked.

I stated WHEN HE WAS APPOINTED, that he was both a not great manager and dodgy as hell and shouldn't get the job, that doesn't mean I can't watch a video and see the truth of what he said.

Whatever. If it was all clean and above board he'd still be in a job. If it was just a smear he'd be standing his ground and fighting his case. He held his hands up and that's that.

If someone is paid millions to do a job, they should do their job and give it every priority. If there's "extras" that are approved by his employer that's fine. But he let greed get the better of him and got caught out. Tough.
 
I've watched all of the available video and read all of these articles, but ultimately you have to read between the lines. It's clear he's out to line his own pockets (having just been given the job no less) and he clearly mentions/discusses things he shouldn't be discussing in that context - like how it's easy to avoid FA rules.

Its far from the most crooked thing I've seen, but it doesn't sit right with me. After his comments about Rooney being allowed to do whatever he likes, we've dodged a huge bullet anyway, he's obviously hopeless.

He should absolutely be fired, the Rooney thing I made clear in the thread on the England game, it was the most insane and ridiculous thing I can remember a manager saying, which again in effect was, I'm not really in control of the team, Rooney is.

But the video was nothing. I don't think he was saying how easy it is to avoid FA rules, third party ownership has just shifted from large one off transfer payments to a cut of larger wages over a longer period adding up to the same amount of money. That is allowed by the FA rules, it just might not be what the FA intended to happen but that is a completely different matter because that is how most third party deals are now happening. Super agents, massive transfers where agents now get monumental amounts of cash. Juve had to pay Pogba's agent what, 20mil of the fee.

How is an agent getting 10% or a manager getting 10% not third party ownership anyway, it always has been. People say a agent is turning a players head or trying to organise a move away from the club, trying to get another club to bid on them. That has always been the case, the rules never changed on it and it's the exact thing clubs were worried about third party ownership. They worried that a third party would tell a player to move or tell a club they wouldn't or had to play in a specific game... but an agent or manage can do the same.
 
Whatever. If it was all clean and above board he'd still be in a job. If it was just a smear he'd be standing his ground and fighting his case. He held his hands up and that's that.

If someone is paid millions to do a job, they should do their job and give it every priority. If there's "extras" that are approved by his employer that's fine. But he let greed get the better of him and got caught out. Tough.

What are you talking about. Again, almost all managers do TV work, all England managers I can think of have done extra work and again, Allardyce said in the video that he would only accept the job if the FA approved. I've stated that more than once already, if you read the article or watched the videos properly you'd know that. It negates your entire post. It was fine for Hodgson to do paid appearances be it on TV or at meet and greets, but we don't like Allardyce now so it's suddenly not okay.


The smear is that people like you, and in fact the majority, haven't actually watched the whole video(clearly), you don't understand what was said, you've presumed guilt and despite having things pointed out you still argue against them.

Everyone decided the video was conclusive evidence he was bent without understanding it and no one can understand why it was fine... they are left with little choice because as with you, the explanation would go no where. He's tainted already, everyone is calling it an embarrassment and it would require a few million people to own up and accept they misunderstood for him to come out without a damaged reputation which simply isn't going to happen.

people read headlines, not 2000 word articles, as the telegraph article was, with proof like him saying no to bungs right at the bottom. They read headlines, believe them and ignore the rest, that is the age we live in. When papers went with those headlines it was game over instantly with no way back.

I'm not equating peadophilia with corruption in football but it's the same principle, someone accused of being a peado always carries the accusation even if proven false lots of people will never ever trust that person again, similar things happen with rape allegations. It can be absolutely without a doubt proven someone wasn't where they were accused of being, absolutely impossible for them to be guilty yet many people will simply believe they are guilty anyway. Applying for a job, a google search on the name, some doubt thrown and job offer either not given or withdrawn despite absolute proof it didn't happen, that is the world we live in.

Also I presume you actually understand that there is only so much an England manager can do when, you know, it's not an international break. It's a fundamentally part time job, and again I'll point out that I've literally never seen anyone have a pop at Wenger, Pulis, Hughes or any other manager for going on TV at the weekend on a day they aren't training or playing despite that being a job with significantly more work to do. The amount someone is paid doesn't change what the job is. If you paid a part time shoe shine 5million a year, if his job is a part time shoe shine then he's got plenty of time free in his off hours to frankly do as he pleases.

He's greedy, probably, he's crooked, IMHO probably, but most people are greedy and the video brought zero new evidence of him being crooked compared to before he took the job when the actual allegations of him being crooked were ignored by everyone.
 
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What are you talking about. Again, almost all managers do TV work

Let's stop right there. We're not talking about "TV work", nor a bit of punditry, nor some FA-approved promotional work on the side. It's disingenuous to even mention this. The video clearly shows him discussing how to get round rules on third party ownership and benefit financially from setting up meetings in this regard. Shady stuff. And yes, to his credit he baulks at the more serious stuff concerning bungs.

But mud sticks, you're right. Which is why it's foolish to smear it over yourself at the first opportunity you get when starting a new job. Whether any of this is "nothing new" or not is irrelevant.

Whether or not anyone likes Allardyce is also irrelevant in any of this. As it happens, I had a fair bit of respect for his no-nonsense approach to management and always enjoyed his interviews. Respect that's lost now.
 
Has anyone mentioned Ron Atkinson yet? I reckon he'd be a good shout as being up there amongst the managers who didn't shy away from the dodgy side of things.
 
Has anyone mentioned Ron Atkinson yet? I reckon he'd be a good shout as being up there amongst the managers who didn't shy away from the dodgy side of things.

Do you not recall the racist remarks he made about Marcel Desailly during the Monaco vs Chelsea Champions League semi-final in 2004? Instantly axed from being an ITV pundit and from writing a column in The Guardian.

Not to mention he is now ~77 years old.
 
Times:

Sam Allardyce is expected to receive a payoff of about £1 million after serving only 67 days as England manager before leaving the role yesterday.

Hope it's not true as the only thing he deserves is an official kick up the arse at Wembley before the next England home game.

On the worrying side is that you do have to wonder whether the FA have been covering dodgy dealing in the game and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Agreed that Big Sam has been a complete tool and deserves to go.
But jesus christ, our press/media are just complete utter disgraceful people. It's complete entrapment and I don't see any other country literally trying to sabotage their nations coaches/politicians etc
Absolute bottom of the barrel these people.

It's not entrapment, don't be ridiculous.
 
Some very interesting reading from the Telegraph:

Over the following hours, and during other meetings with undercover Telegraph reporters, Mr Pagliara and two other agents named a total of eight current or recent Premier League managers who they said were known for taking “bungs”, including five they said they had personally paid off.

They also named two Championship managers who, they said, had accepted bribes. They were unaware that their conversations were being recorded as part of a Telegraph investigation into corruption in football, thinking instead they were talking to representatives of a Far Eastern firm looking to invest in soccer.


Managers on the make ... as described by agents
Manager 1

Ex-Premier League manager allegedly liked “bungs” in cash or deposited in a Swiss bank account. Pagliara said: “I can call [X] now and all it is with [X] is 'How much, Pino? And will it be the same Swiss bank account?’”

Manager 2

Ex-top flight manager has had “more backhanders than Wimbledon”. Pagliara said: “This is what I hate... the guy that used to need the money but he’s had so much now that all of a sudden he’s whiter than white.”

Manager 3

After managing several British clubs, he was allegedly fired by one for having “his fingers in the till”. Pagliara said he would get involved if “you understand that when we do deals I have to have a carrier bag with some cash”.

Manager 4

Pagliara said of this boss with Premier League experience: “We know him very, very well. We do a transfer, [X] has winked at us and said 'Yeah, I want the player. Is there a little coffee for me, Pino?’ Yeah, course there is.”

Manager 5

Ex-Premier League manager who, said Pagliara, would call him and say “here’s the number”, and give him details of a Swiss account. He said: “It was always numbered accounts.”

Manager 6

A former player who now manages, he allegedly likes extra money to secure deals because he is not on a big salary at his club. Pagliara said: “[X] takes a few [inaudible] because he’s not being paid big money.”

Manager 7

Ex-Premier League manager is another “we can put on the payroll”. If a player was transferred for £10m, “we’ll turn round to [X] and say, listen, if you take this player we’ll look after you. OK? OK, boom.”

Manager 8

Agent Dax Price said this long-serving manager would pick three trusted players and tell them he was paying them an extra £8,000 per month, on condition that they paid him £4,000 per month each.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ier-league-managers-took-transfer-bungs-clai/

Time for them to name and share the dirty ten.
 
I can't believe some people are trying to defend the guy :p

Whether he actually said anything incriminating or not, the whole sorry episode has shown him up to be a greedy and shady character.

You can't have someone like that representing the country at the highest sporting level.

I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. Good riddance.
 
Ultimately it comes down to this - if he had rolled up his sleeves and got on with the job of MANAGING the England team (you know, the job he was being paid millions to do) rather than trying to moonlight and set up dodgy deals behind the scenes, then he wouldn't be in this mess. His choice. His loss.

Completely

Im surprised there are so many trying to blame the press about it

If he wanted the job so bad (England Manager) then he shouldnt have done anything at all like this until after he left the job - not dis-similar to Ex-presidents/PM's getting millions for public speaking after they leave office etc

(I dont like the tactics used by journo's , and headlines may be twisting the facts - as if this doesnt happen all the time hahaha - but they havent done anything wrong , only SA has done that)

Doubt its possible, but would love it if he was "banned" from working under the FA's durisdiction for life for bringing the game into disrepute

Hope it's not true as the only thing he deserves is an official kick up the arse at Wembley before the next England home game.

On the worrying side is that you do have to wonder whether the FA have been covering dodgy dealing in the game and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

£1m is nothing in these circles - and it may be a way to keep SA quiet about certain aspects. He doesnt deserve it of course, but I really wouldnt be that surprised.

Everything seems to suggest it is just the tip of the iceberg - in fact maybe £1m is for further information about loopholes or whatever in the current system?

Managers need to be shamed, but will it happen - doubtful
 
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