Samsung htc 6500 upgrade, samsung q930c or a dedicated avr and 5.1 system? uk

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Yeah so doe any dts material it'll just be stereo, then the soundbar will expand that.

Won't be as good as native discrete audio. It'll be ok, but I can easily tell difference between native and pcm up mixed
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so if i have it wired up like this pc hdmi > avr hdmi> tv i will get the full audio. that will eliminate the need for earc?

also i am debating now to just go for a 3.1 system to start with, thoughts?
 
Yeah if you go source-> AVR-> TV then you won't have any issues with E-ARC, no DTS support. You can use ARC/E-ARC for the TV apps etc

However if you are gaming then you'd need a HDMI capable AVR. Wheras for myself, I have a HDMI 2.0 AV pre so if I was to use a PS5 console I wouldn't get 120hz VRR.

A good 3.1 system can be worthwhile, what you can do is "cheap out" on surrounds, like those M&K I linked you to. Spend as miuch as possible on LCR & Sub. You can always upgrade rears later.

With TV series 3.1 is fine. It's just for movies where you won't get the front to back effects, like spaceship coming from rear right.
 
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Also one thing you may want to consider is a streamer. AVR's have them built in, however you may prefer an external one. Depends on how well the supplied streamer/app is in the AVR. I didn't think much of the one in my AVR.

This can be bought later. Something like Wiim Pro/Pro Plus, Eversolo A6, etc.
 
Also depending on high end you want to go, generally a AVR is a bit meh for Hifi stereo sound. Some are better than others. Some brands aren't great.

If you go far up enough in a brands range, they offer pre out RCA sockets. This will you allow you to add a stereo integrated amplifier for superior Hifi sound. You'd need a stereo amp with HT bypass input.

This will add extra cost, you'd be looking at Denon 3700 or higher (they have pre outs) plus a stereo amp, for example £500 + plus extra RCA cable, and system complexity. Depends on how you want to go. Just something to be aware of, better to know now then buy 1700 only to find you won't be able to upgrade.

Also doing this frees up power for the remaining speakers, as the AVR no longer needs to power the LR speakers.
 
tbh i will just be using the avr/speakes for movie nights, general tv, anime watching, some gaming on my pc and my friends switch/xbox if they bring it around
 
Need to go and have a demo with couple of systems.

You'll be be able to get 5.1.2 with certain AVR's

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Mike95 said:
how does the lpcm work?i dont know what lpcm is tbh, this is what it says on rtings about the s90c's audio
This Samsung S90C supports many audio formats, including many Dolby Digital options. Unfortunately, it doesn't support DTS formats, which is disappointing, as many UHD Blu-rays use DTS for their lossless audio tracks.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s90c-oled check it out
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It might be the way it's written, but @hornetstinger is a bit off target with his roundup of the way sound works passing through an eARC TV.

hornetstinger said:
LPCM is Linear Pulse Code Modulation, basically the same as what is on CD. It's typically stereo, but can also be multi channel (over HDMI) lossless audio.

If you use E-ARC you need to ensure your TV passses all sound codecs, If not then all you'll get is stereo
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LPCM is indeed Linear Pulse Code Modulation. Saying its what's on CD is probably only useful for someone who already knows what's on CD :cry: :cry: :cry:

If a TV can pass LPCM, and an audio system can handle it, then you don't have to accept any compromise when it comes to audio formats not directly supported via eARC. It doesn't matter if a TV doesn't pass DTS or DTS-HD Master Audio. LPCM gets around this.

Broadly speaking, digital audio comes either as a basic PCM signal (the digital equivalent of analogue audio), or it comes as something compressed into a data stream. This would be DD, DTS, Dolby True HD, and DTS-HD Master Audio.
 
yeah I'm aware of multi channel LPCM, say from SACD or BD players, where you send it to your AVR - so it's already decoded. Instead of bitstream where your AVR decodes it.

Haven't really looked into what TV passes, ie do they pass multi channel linear PCM, or just stereo? E-ARC seems a bit of a mess, having requirement of a HDMI HDCP sync probably doesn't help, at least with coaxial/optical it continues to send it, even if your output device is switched off...and there is no drop in video/sound whilst the device is switched on/off for the HDCP check.
 
hornetstinger said:
Haven't really looked into what TV passes, ie do they pass multi channel linear PCM, or just stereo? E-ARC seems a bit of a mess, having requirement of a HDMI HDCP sync probably doesn't help, at least with coaxial/optical it continues to send it, even if your output device is switched off...and there is no drop in video/sound whilst the device is switched on/off for the HDCP check.
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You probably should spend some time looking into it. LPCM can be sent via eARC in TVs that support it. Where they do, then all the concerns about DTS support simply vanish - POOF! - gone. This is ideal for gamers, and especially those with AV receivers that don't support 120Hz VRR pass-thru. Send the audio decoded from DTS to LPCM along with the to the TV. Let the TV pass the LPCM to the sound system while the display deals with the images. It does require eARC on the receiver, of course.
 
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would mixing the l/r 300 series with the 500c center be okay?
ebay are doing a 15%/£75 off deal atm on audio stuff, anything else i should be looking at?
 
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I'd want to keep the LCR from similar range, it doesn't look like Fyne have matching F303 center? Also doesn't have the coaxial design from the higher F500 range.

You don't have to buy the matching Fyne sub, other brands like SVS, Rel, BK, Arendel will work ok
I'd recommend higher quality standmounts over lower range floorstanders. I use floorstanders for my cinema and hifi system, but both were bought second hand, and each ones are the flagship speaker in the range, not the low end Kef Cresta etc models- good floorstanders aren't cheap.

There are pros and cons of both designs but at your buget stick to standmounts. Also if you're stepping up range in speakers look at higher model AVR, the lower end Denons have the lower quality room correction, ideally want the full resolution model as it has more filters, more accurate etc.

Have a demo of a few AVR models as well as they offer different sound signature. If the Fyne speakers are bit forward, then you don't want a forward sounding amplifier. When you go and have a demo listen to music, you want a system that is pleasant to listen to for a long time. The "grab your attention" type presentation might be ok for 20 minutes but can be harder on the ears for longer listening. Have a listen to Wharfedale and Q Acoustics to get an ideal what a warmer/neautral sounding speaker is. Then listen to pair of cheaper Klipsch, those are bright and very forward. There are opposites, and if this is your proper system you need to get an idea what you like, rather than buying the first system you listen. It's another matter if you buy a budget second hand system from gumtree, be ok with that for 12 months whilst going around hifi shops/shows, learn the hobby, maybe buy another brand of speakers for a garage, upgrade and change bits over the years, understand differences between horizontal and vertical biamping, high pass filters etc etc.
 
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would need a center too, which ever matches it,
 
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