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Also doesn't Lewis have the other side of the garage now (the old bottas side) so they might not be as good at setting up the car? I don't know..
Trying to get back on topic but is this true? Seems weird to swap him if everything was working well last year and all the preceding years. What’s the point? That’s like a football manager changing out his entire 11 when they’re winning the league :confused:
 
Trying to get back on topic but is this true? Seems weird to swap him if everything was working well last year and all the preceding years. What’s the point? That’s like a football manager changing out his entire 11 when they’re winning the league :confused:
Funnily enough this is exactly what happened when he lost the total to Rosberg, they swapped, doesn't bode well for Lewis.
 
Why do teams do this sort of thing?

Did he keep the same crew every year with Bottas?
No idea, they swapped them all over for no apparent reason, Lewis lost the total, can't quite remember but I think he possibly said they're never to do it again, but it looks like they did, someone else here will probably remember better than me.
I believe he kept the same crew in the Bottas years because of the above, happy to be corrected.
 
No idea, they swapped them all over for no apparent reason, Lewis lost the total, can't quite remember but I think he possibly said they're never to do it again, but it looks like they did, someone else here will probably remember better than me.
I believe he kept the same crew in the Bottas years because of the above, happy to be corrected.
If I remember correctly the party line was that it was to improve the morale of the other side of the garage, after a couple of years of constantly being on the losing side of the garage. I think the realistic logic of it (and general consensus at the time) being a psychological booster for Nico Rosberg, to show that they were being given equal opportunities to win and not just stacking the A-team on Lewis's side.

As for this year I dont know I havnt read anything specific relating to this. However I wouldnt be surprised if there was a bit of shuffle with George turning up, would have probably been ideal time to move talent about, share the knowledge and share the love around the team. So as not to let things stagnate. However I doubt this will be the reasoning behind todays performance, sounds like they just took a gamble on a fundamental setup change today and it didnt pay off.
 
OK well this has proven how much of a dog the Mercedes PU is.

Amazed they went from having arguably the fastest, to the slowest.
They really do appear to have **** the bed.

All the talk last season was how they weren’t really developing the car in order to focus on 2022 — turns out they put all their efforts into a “no side pods” design that’s fundamentally flawed.

Yet RBR were in the same title race last year and have hit the ground running.

At least with Ferrari you can argue that they weren’t in the running last year. Compared to RBR, there’s absolutely no excuse.
 
The freeze on PU development is going to kill the Mercedes powered teams if it’s as bad as it looks.

Edit: although reading F1 technical that may be running their PU lower to avoid inducing porpoising at high(er) speed. Don’t customer teams have to run the same engine map than the works team?

Sounds like clutching at straws to me
 
Happy for Checo to get his 1st pole and great to see two teams matched so closely. Hopefully other teams can close the gap but being almost 1sec slower it's hard to see how.
 
What a great season this is turning out to be.

Complete shake up
Bottas ahead of Hamilton
Alpine on the up
Ferrari swapping with merc
Perez has a p1
Mercedes and Lewis struggling
Dnf for Rbr

Love it. Biggest shock is merc
 
Just seen the highlights. Wow, Lewis out in Q1. Was so hoping he'd nail an 8th WDC this year but looking like no chance now.
Thing is, everyone keeps saying how bitter Hamilton fans are about last year, but with good reason. If he doesn’t get involved this year, next year is probably unlikely, then he’s really going to be hitting the latter years of his career which will make things difficult regardless. Which.. going back to 2021 makes it really hard to stomach that he was robbed of that 8th title. Sorry mods, going off topic again but as a Hamilton fan it really will grate :(

On topic, should be a great race tomorrow. Rooting for Ferarri, obviously!
 
Thing is, everyone keeps saying how bitter Hamilton fans are about last year, but with good reason. If he doesn’t get involved this year, next year is probably unlikely, then he’s really going to be hitting the latter years of his career which will make things difficult regardless. Which.. going back to 2021 makes it really hard to stomach that he was robbed of that 8th title. Sorry mods, going off topic again but as a Hamilton fan it really will grate :(

On topic, should be a great race tomorrow. Rooting for Ferarri, obviously!

+1

If Hamilton had (rightly) won #8 last season, Merc being in the doldrums with the new regs would be much easier to accept.

Personally, I don’t think he has anything to prove but it would be nice if it was official.

It’s going to take “a racing miracle” [sic] for #8 to happen this season and you have to wonder how many seasons he has left.
 
+1

If Hamilton had (rightly) won #8 last season, Merc being in the doldrums with the new regs would be much easier to accept.

Personally, I don’t think he has anything to prove but it would be nice if it was official.

It’s going to take “a racing miracle” [sic] for #8 to happen this season and you have to wonder how many seasons he has left.
This really.

If Hamilton is still playing with the mid-pack come race 8, its curtains for him this season
 
The freeze on PU development is going to kill the Mercedes powered teams if it’s as bad as it looks.

Edit: although reading F1 technical that may be running their PU lower to avoid inducing porpoising at high(er) speed. Don’t customer teams have to run the same engine map than the works team?

Sounds like clutching at straws to me
They have to have the same engine maps available to them as the works team. Mercedes can't keep a map to themselves for example, but the other Mercedes powered teams can run whatever map they want from those available.
 
its almost surreal that Mercedes AMG HPP appear to have got it so wrong with the new fuel regs while Ferrari (seem to have nailed it)/Honda (? on reliability)/Renault (maybe flattered by the utter failure of Merc) seem to at least be on top of it.

Yes the Merc chassis still seems to be a handful but its rather telling that even the customer teams are bottom of the order. The irony of course is the fragile nature (so far) of the Honda setup is they can more likely justify "reliabilty" improvements vs the rest
 
its almost surreal that Mercedes AMG HPP appear to have got it so wrong with the new fuel regs while Ferrari (seem to have nailed it)/Honda (? on reliability)/Renault (maybe flattered by the utter failure of Merc) seem to at least be on top of it.

Yes the Merc chassis still seems to be a handful but its rather telling that even the customer teams are bottom of the order. The irony of course is the fragile nature (so far) of the Honda setup is they can more likely justify "reliabilty" improvements vs the rest

I think the Merc car, aero and chassis wise is actually good (hence why they are so far ahead of all the other merc Powered cars). I think the engine is the issue.

I just thinks it too much of a coincidence that only the Merc powered teams have dropped down the pecking order (apart from Williams, but then you can't go lower than last...)
 
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