Poll: Saudi Arabia Grand Prix 2022, Jeddah - Race 2

Rate the 2022 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix out of ten

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Bald-Eagle22 said:
GOAT - Apart from the fact i stated he’s been gifted 4 of his 7 WC titles ! Other motor sports - Rossi 89 wins from 55 poles 9 WC over three different classes epic legend . Now you might say what’s the difference , similar amount of champions ect under different classes . The difference is a larger part of Rossi’s competitors all had GP winning bikes , for 7 years Mercedes’ have had it all there own way and had no one come close , barring Ferrari for a few races.

If you look at my previous posts you will see my logic, It killed the sport from a fans point of view for 4 years yet the larger part of UK motor sport fans think he’s god. I can’t see the logic in it at all. A lot of races I literally turned over the channel.

Like I said it finally changed last year and this year for the better of the fans and to be blunt I can’t see Lewis winning another WC for the rest of his career.

Now if he took the red car in 2025 and won a race I’d then put him into Epic territory. Not going to happen .

Anyhow Popcorn ready for later, go on the Checo! Go on the George .
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You can state it all you like it doesn't mean you're right or that it invalidates his achievements :cry:. He is leading a massive amount of all time stats and has smashed virtually every motorsport opportunity he's ever had, which is enough for most rational people to count him amongst the best.

Anyway people are right this isn't the thread for such discussion.

For todays race I am hoping for some lap 1 carnage (small crashes only though :eek:) to give us an unexpected result. If that doesn't happen then I think both Ferrari's will get past Checo, that car looked great at getting the power down out of corners last week. A super aggressive Verstappen on lap one might be interesting for everyone ahead of him, let's see how he plays it. I reckon under the right circumstances (red flags, 1 or 2 retirements ahead) that Russell has a chance at sneaking a podium. If Bottas manages to get a good start then that car actually looks pretty quick so maybe a good points finish for him. I'm really interested to see if Hamilton will start from the pitlane with a different setup. If it was ever going to work then here with the red flag chance is the one. With his pace from yesterday I can't even see him getting in the points.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
After this incident there was a lot of fuss:
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There's fuss about tyre changes under red whenever it happens, but red flags mix things up so much and there's so many cases where tyre changes are sensible under a red that I don't think there's any real prospect of change.

They were talking about introducing standing starts after safety car a while back - that I could buy into.
 
Bald-Eagle22 said:
GOAT - Apart from the fact i stated he’s been gifted 4 of his 7 WC titles ! Other motor sports - Rossi 89 wins from 55 poles 9 WC over three different classes epic legend . Now you might say what’s the difference , similar amount of champions ect under different classes . The difference is a larger part of Rossi’s competitors all had GP winning bikes , for 7 years Mercedes’ have had it all there own way and had no one come close , barring Ferrari for a few races.

If you look at my previous posts you will see my logic, It killed the sport from a fans point of view for 4 years yet the larger part of UK motor sport fans think he’s god. I can’t see the logic in it at all. A lot of races I literally turned over the channel.

Like I said it finally changed last year and this year for the better of the fans and to be blunt I can’t see Lewis winning another WC for the rest of his career.

Now if he took the red car in 2025 and won a race I’d then put him into Epic territory. Not going to happen .

Anyhow Popcorn ready for later, go on the Checo! Go on the George .
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Absolute carp about Rossi.

He was equally as dominant as Hamilton, and majority of his championships there were no serious contenders at all, and he was on totally dominant machinery, and slow teammates.

Five out of his seven championships in the early 2000's, he won over double the number of races as his nearest competitor.

Only when Stoner arrived on the scene, did Rossi have serious competition, and Rossi pretty much played second fiddle, till he moved teams and took over from Stoner.

So if you are saying Hamilton is not the GOAT, then you cannot call Rossi the GOAT either.
 

Skip to 3 mins… got to love these sorts of chats with the engineers. Very candid :)
 
No need to change parts. They only need to break a seal to trigger the penalty.

Think back to when Ferrari opened Massa’s gearbox (broke the seal) to get him a grid drop behind Alonso.

If Merc want to start from the pit lane and make setup changes they won’t physically need to replace parts.
 
EVH said:
No need to change parts. They only need to break a seal to trigger the penalty.

Think back to when Ferrari opened Massa’s gearbox (broke the seal) to get him a grid drop behind Alonso.

If Merc want to start from the pit lane and make setup changes they won’t physically need to replace parts.
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Ah ok, hadn't considered that.

Time will tell I guess.
 
utajoker said:
Cant believe they haven't changed anything. Stick Russell's setup on and see what happens
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You can do drastic setup changes, without physically changing any actual parts.

Undoubtedly they have gone back to a previous setup.

Unlikely to be Russell's though, as their driving styles are quite different, so what works for one, doesn't necessarily work for the other.
 
Entai said:
You can do drastic setup changes, without physically changing any actual parts.

Undoubtedly they have gone back to a previous setup.

Unlikely to be Russell's though, as their driving styles are quite different, so what works for one, doesn't necessarily work for the other.
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And keep your grid position? Thought no changes where allowed
 
Entai said:
You can do drastic setup changes, without physically changing any actual parts.

Undoubtedly they have gone back to a previous setup.

Unlikely to be Russell's though, as their driving styles are quite different, so what works for one, doesn't necessarily work for the other.
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You're not allowed to to setup changes under parc ferme. What you qualify is (mostly) what you race.

You can: change cooling through radiator blanking, brake duct blanking, front wing adjustments, fuel can e added or removed, engine can be started and fluids changed/topped up and so on.

Rear wing adjustments - nope.
Suspension adjustments - nope.

Actually - here you go.

40) PRE-SPRINT AND PRE-RACE PARC FERMÉ

40.1 Each Competitor must provide the Technical Delegate with a suspension set-up sheet for both of their cars before each of them leaves the pit lane for the first time during the qualifying practice session.

40.2 Each car will be deemed to be in parc fermé from the time at which it leaves the pit lane for the first time during the qualifying practice session until the start of the race. Any car which fails to leave the pit lane during the qualifying practice session will be deemed to be in parc fermé at the end of Q1.

Between these times, other than when cars are sealed overnight in accordance with Article 40.634.5, the following work may be carried out:

a) Engines may be started.

b) Fuel may be added or removed and a fuel breather fitted.

c) Wheels, wheel fasteners and tyres may be removed, changed or rebalanced and tyre pressures adjusted.

d) Spark plugs may be removed in order to carry out an internal engine inspection and cylinder compression checks.

e) Permitted breather, heating or cooling devices may be fitted.

f) A jump battery may be connected and on-board electrical units may be freely accessed via a physical connection to the car.

g) Charging and / or discharging of the ERS energy storage devices.

h) The brake system may be bled.

i) Engine oil may be drained.

j) Compressed gases may be drained or added.

k) Fluids may be drained and/or replenished, however, fluids used for replenishment must conform to the same specification as the original fluid.

l) The aerodynamic set up of the front wing may be adjusted using the existing parts. No parts may be added, removed or replaced.

m) If the FIA Technical Delegate is satisfied that changes in climatic conditions necessitate alterations to the specification of a car, changes may be made to the brake ducts, as described in Article 3.13 of the Technical Regulations, and to the engine and/or gearbox cooling bodywork that lies within the RV-BODY-REAR and/or RV-RBW-EC reference volumes, as defined in Appendix 1 of the Technical Regulations. These changes may be made at any time after all Competitors have been sent the message “CHANGE IN CLIMATIC CONDITIONS” using the official messaging system. From this point onwards the choice of brake ducts and engine and/or gearbox cooling bodywork is free and pitot tubes may be covered or uncovered, subject always to compliance with the relevant Technical Regulations.

n) Bodywork (excluding radiators) may be removed and/or cleaned.

o) Cosmetic changes may be made to the bodywork and tape may be added.

p) Any part of the car may be cleaned.

q) On board cameras, marshalling system components, timing transponders and any associated equipment may be removed, refitted or checked.

r) Any work required by the Technical Delegate.

s) Changes to improve the driver’s comfort. In this context anything other than the adjustment of mirrors, seat belts and pedals may only be carried out with the specific permission of the Technical Delegate.

i) Should ambient temperature change significantly, Competitors will be requested to change the head padding required by Article 12.6.1-6 of the Technical Regulations using the official messaging system.

ii) The addition or removal of padding (or similar material) is also permitted but may only be carried out under supervision and, if required by the Technical Delegate, must be removed before the post-race weighing procedure.

t) Drinking fluid for the driver may be added at any time, however, the capacity of the container for any such fluid must not exceed 1.5 litres.

u) Repair of genuine accident damage.

v) Any parts which are removed from the car in order to carry out any work specifically permitted above, or any parts removed to carry out essential safety checks, must remain close to it and, at all times, be visible to the scrutineer assigned to the relevant car.

i) Furthermore, any parts removed from the car in order to carry out any such work must be refitted before the car leaves the pit lane.

40.3 Any work not listed in Article 40.2 may only be undertaken with the approval of the Technical Delegate following a written request from the Competitor concerned. It must be clear that any replacement part a Competitor wishes to fit is the same in design and similar in mass, inertia and function to the original. Exceptionally, at an Event where a sprint session is scheduled, replacement parts that are different in design will be permitted provided that the part is of a specification that has been used previously in a qualifying practice session or a race. In such cases, the Competitor should inform the FIA prior to the start of the sprint session of any part where this may be necessary. Any parts removed will be retained by the FIA.

If a Competitor is granted permission to change a survival cell, any of the additional components detailed in Article 27.2 may also be changed provided that the spare survival cell was already fitted with these additional components at the time of the request.

If a Competitor wishes to change a part during the qualifying practice session, on the grid before the start of the sprint session and between reconnaissance laps and/or on the grid before the start of the race, this may be done without first seeking the permission of the Technical Delegate, provided it is reasonable for the relevant Competitor to believe permission would be given if there was time to ask and the broken or damaged part remains in full view of the scrutineer assigned to the car at all times.
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