Save the NHS!

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Amazing, i think the Conservatives are just waiting til its SO bad, that they are forced to sell it.

Id rather the country just offer basic services (NOT antibiotics) for free, with dividends for disadvantaged folks and emergency care for everyone if it is actually an emergency (with a 3-strike local service ban on prank callers, with appeal process).

Not so hard.
 
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joeyjojo said:
It's incredible, the Tories have dug themselves into such a hole by banging on and on for 5 years about "cutting the deficit" that the best they can do is "ring-fence" NHS spending (i.e. decrease it in real terms) rather than fund it to the level it needs.
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Not only that, they cut spending on lots of other services that takes pressure off the front-line NHS. Result being things like A&E are under even more pressure than ever.

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Heh - I saw that as well and had a good chuckle. Perhaps it's time for a mod to kindly change the thread title since I now believe that the demise of the NHS is now inevitable thanks to the Health and Social Care Act 2012. Perhaps to "NHS death spiral thread".
 
Isn't it ironic that the NHS will eventually go the way Americas health care once was. Yet Obama has made theirs what ours is currently. Without the extreme mess, given time.
 
V F said:
Isn't it ironic that the NHS will eventually go the way Americas health care once was. Yet Obama has made theirs what ours is currently. Without the extreme mess, given time.
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I don't know whether this post shows a greater ignorance of the NHS or the American healthcare system post ACA...
 
joeyjojo said:
It's incredible, the Tories have dug themselves into such a hole by banging on and on for 5 years about "cutting the deficit" that the best they can do is "ring-fence" NHS spending (i.e. decrease it in real terms) rather than fund it to the level it needs.
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If our population do NOTHING to improve their own situation, by increasing levels of obesity, diabetes, tooth decay and various other illnesses that are for the most part avoidable, exactly when do you think we should draw a line, and stop increasing the funding to a lumbering inefficient beast of an organisation?
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
If our population do NOTHING to improve their own situation, by increasing levels of obesity, diabetes, tooth decay and various other illnesses that are for the most part avoidable, exactly when do you think we should draw a line, and stop increasing the funding to a lumbering inefficient beast of an organisation?
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the biggest issue for the NHS is old people and our ageing population
 
MrMoonX said:
the biggest issue for the NHS is old people and our ageing population
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...and if they were fitter from earlier, then there wouldn't be as much of an issue, I see it every day, the fat older woman, barely able to walk needing new hips and still carrying too much weight.
We won't live forever and if we do many of us end up in a dementia based mess, truly would consider the dignitas option if that occurred to me, but unfortunately by that stage, one simply couldn't consent.

Anyway, as I have said before, we need an entire change in the NHS not from within and not from politicians, social care, healthcare, mental health and provision of front line service should all be taken as a single unit. A 15 then 30 year plan, with a basis for how we go about funding it, including the educational provision for staff training from within the country.
We price it up, we tell people what it would achieve, we then cost it, tell people what would be provided and for what cost. Then we have a referendum and let people pick a or b, a the fully costed plan for the future, and the likely hood of a tax increase to fund it. Or b, a smaller provides less service, which you supplement with private health insurance.
We can't have both for nothing.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
...and if they were fitter from earlier, then there wouldn't be as much of an issue, I see it every day, the fat older woman, barely able to walk needing new hips and still carrying too much weight.
We won't live forever and if we do many of us end up in a dementia based mess, truly would consider the dignitas option if that occurred to me, but unfortunately by that stage, one simply couldn't consent.

Anyway, as I have said before, we need an entire change in the NHS not from within and not from politicians, social care, healthcare, mental health and provision of front line service should all be taken as a single unit. A 15 then 30 year plan, with a basis for how we go about funding it, including the educational provision for staff training from within the country.
We price it up, we tell people what it would achieve, we then cost it, tell people what would be provided and for what cost. Then we have a referendum and let people pick a or b, a the fully costed plan for the future, and the likely hood of a tax increase to fund it. Or b, a smaller provides less service, which you supplement with private health insurance.
We can't have both for nothing.
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Well said and argued. As a slim (10st, 5' 10") 62 year old, I now make more frequent trips to the doctors for blood pressure etc. I do not know if I actually require the drugs, statins etc., my blood pressure is generally 150/80 so a bit high, but if I do not take my tablets for a week or so it does not seem to make much difference.

Anyway what I was going to say is, I am in well paid full time employment and do not need really free prescriptions. I do have health insurance from work which I have never called upon. I have had one recent health episode (which may have killed me a decade or so ago) and needed three days in hospital and antibiotic drips.

Any lifespan is welcome as long as it is free of dementia or chronic pain so hopefully I will not wish to live forever.
 
Horrifying compilation of links between government, the NHS, and private health companies:

The privatising cabal at the heart of our NHS (31 March 2015)

An excerpt:
Simon Stevens' journey is well known. He left the NHS in 2004 and spent a decade learning how the American’s do healthcare at US giant, UnitedHealth (at first Stevens was put on selling UnitedHealth services to European health systems, then became Vice President and lobbyist for the whole UH Group). Stevens was described in the Financial Times as “a key architect, along with Mr Milburn and Mr Blair – to whom he went on to serve as health adviser – of the reforms that for the first time broke up the NHS monolith, introducing privately run treatment centres.”

In 2014 Stevens returned to the UK to share his wisdom as Chief Executive Officer of the NHS. He is the man currently running the show.

Maybe less well-known is that Milburn’s private secretary, Tony Sampson, was also drawn to UnitedHealth. From 2005 to 2013, Steven’s former close colleague was UnitedHealth’s chief lobbyist in the UK.

What’s hardly known at all is that Milburn’s other aide, Andrew Harrison, has also long been in the employ of UnitedHealth. Harrison is head of health at lobbying firm Hanover, which has lobbied for UnitedHealth since at least 2007.

So, that’s the whole team – Stevens, Sampson, and Harrison – all lobbying for UnitedHealth for the best part of a decade.

And today we’re surprised that UnitedHealth is in line to pick up billion pound NHS contracts?
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V F said:
Isn't it ironic that the NHS will eventually go the way Americas health care once was. Yet Obama has made theirs what ours is currently. Without the extreme mess, given time.
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not even close - tis a half measure at best and complete chaos - they're still massively inefficient, people still get patchy coverage, people with preexisting conditions can get screwed.

Sure the US is great if you're middle class or above and don't end up with any serious chronic condition - you'll get seen very quickly and have access to top class facilities... you can easily be screwed there though if you don't fit that category.
 
Good to see the destroyer of the NHS Andrew Lansley getting his reward today. His tattered reputation with the general public means he's not fit for any ministerial positions but he'll now be Lord Lansley until he dies.
 
And whilst we talk about JC and the migrant issue.

The DDRB was approved today (under the radar) meaning junior doctors get up to a 30% pay cut. GP trainees up to 45%. All expected to work more hours and normal working hours are 9am - 10pm Monday to Saturday.

Privatisation here we come!
 
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