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Extra radiographers, phlebotomists and nurses Dolph?

Do Hunt's proposals make provision the required supporting roles/services?

Some of these roles already have had contract changes, others are in the pipeline but not making the same level of fuss as the bma....
 
I wouldn't object to fines for nhs trusts that breach the hours. That isn't what the bma want however.

As for demand, I am talking about demand profiles, not total demand.

Demand profiles?

Please do elaborate

Also no fines if safeguards removed....
 
Some of these roles already have had contract changes, others are in the pipeline but not making the same level of fuss as the bma....

Are you comparing the passion and drive of someone who's willing to pour body and soul into a medical degree for seven years to that of someone who's done a one week course in basic anatomy, and then telling me that you're surprised one of them is less annoyed about being asked to risk patient safety?

Healthcare Assistants (who do most of the jobs you mention) don't even get their own medical insurance. They work under the direction of a doctor, who is COMPLETELY liable for ANY mistakes a HCA makes under their guidance.
 
Demand profiles?

Please do elaborate

Also no fines if safeguards removed....

Demand profiles, what does customer/patient demand look like with the supply constraints currently in place removed?

Currently, service provision is focused around core hours, and hence demand is forced into those times. Change core hours, you change demand.
 
Demand profiles, what does customer/patient demand look like with the supply constraints currently in place removed?

Currently, service provision is focused around core hours, and hence demand is forced into those times. Change core hours, you change demand.

Yes - very good. More working hours means more work done.

Now, find me enough doctors in the country to staff that safely.
 
You don't change when people get ill though Dolph.

Surely that depends on the proportion of routine work to emergency work, and ignores that you can predict average emergency demand based on day to day.

Resource planning is a common activity in any customer focussed business.
 
Demand profiles, what does customer/patient demand look like with the supply constraints currently in place removed?

Currently, service provision is focused around core hours, and hence demand is forced into those times. Change core hours, you change demand.

So basically you agree that supply = demand. If there are more operation and appointments in a day how is that demand being met if supply is thinned out?

You're really not making any sense.
 
Yes - very good. More working hours means more work done.

Now, find me enough doctors in the country to staff that safely.

Again, you are assuming the current patterns are optimal so any changes need additional staff. This is not necessarily the case.
 
Again, you are assuming the current patterns are optimal so any changes need additional staff. This is not necessarily the case.

Current patterns are struggling.

Would you be happy to be treated by a exhausted doctor who's worked 100+ hours that week?
 
So basically you agree that supply = demand. If there are more operation and appointments in a day how is that demand being met if supply is thinned out?

You're really not making any sense.

You assume that the current work patterns makes optimal use of resources (both staff and facilities).
 
Can someone explain, have these high hours and crap shift patterns just started suddenly in recent months/years?

It has always been crap but Jeremy Hunt wants to make it crapper.
There was a Young Doctor on GMTV this morning who had sent a filmed blog of a typical day and she was on 23 hours with another 3 hours to go before she could go home.
Jeremy Hunt wants to make it much worse.
 
You assume that the current work patterns makes optimal use of resources (both staff and facilities).

No, the government does. We know they don't make optimal use of staff, so our response is "make the system more efficient and cut out the pointless paperwork. Stop spending our budget on middle management and put more of it into patient facing services".

The government assumes we're just being lazy and don't want to work weekends.
 
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