Inside joke Poole from a previous thread. Believe me I wouldn't discredit the elderly
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Inside joke Poole from a previous thread. Believe me I wouldn't discredit the elderly
While you're at it you may want to make sure your children do not use state schools and go private. You may want to make sure when driving you are not on a public road and use private/toll roads every second....
No? Funny everyone pays taxes for people paging no taxes to use. Strange that.
Forgetting the greater good.
A society that doesn't provide - a basic (good not crumbs - even if there is some prioritisation) level of health care and shelter plus basic ability to dress, feed and cloth one self for all its citizens no matter their situation isn't worth a ****.
Welfare in this country largely does provide access to wholesome foods even if it isn't the finest of fare you really have to be pretty bad at managing your life not to be able to afford food that isn't going to shorten your life span in any meaningful way even on benefits.
I think evole is just trolling or 10 years old. Although that is probably unfair on 10 year olds as they normally seem more well rounded in their opinion formation. He's like Dolph without the eloquence. A poor mans Dolph if you like with but without the good points like attention to detail and the ability to debate.
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Lol good spot - predictive text honestly! (please believe me I am more of a Freefaller fan)
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While the Tories run down the NHS in England and Wales, the private companies rub their hands in glee. The NHS should not be run to provide a profit for anyone, every last penny should be put into the care of patients.
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It has already been happening. They are already sending nhs patients to private hospitals for MRI scans and some ops, but it is still a mess. Perhaps poor management from the top? I don't know.
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I posted on another sort of related thread some time ago. One of my businesses in India works in the field of recruitment. We primarily work in I.T but because of our presence in SE Asia we get approached a lot by medical recruitment agencies in the UK looking to me to work as an RPO for them and source Indian and Pakistani locums*......
(*this is currently not possible with non EU GPS due to the tier 2 visa regulations, but its used to recruit doctors from the EU all of the time who have no such issues. Freedom of work and all that*)
They salary a GP on around 50k a year and then charge the NHS almost three times that to use them to cover their capacity shortfalls. Capitalism at its finest with the social mechanic of the NHS being held hostage because of its own inefficiencies.
These agencies for the most part have ZERO interest in supplying permanent GPs to the NHS because of the cash cow of the locum industry. These same agencies as well also work as an agent to take UK doctors (not locums) out of the country and overseas, taking advantage of the poor morale in the workforce at the moment.
In short the NHS is getting shafted from both ends. A dwindling workforce they are struggling to backfill with a budget crushing solution.
The basic principle of the NHS is great, it looked after my father during his struggles with multiple sclerosis, its facilities and its professionals allowed my wife to give birth to our two wonderful children, and it has been great on countless occassions with the general healthcare of my family.
It is, however, only after I moved overseas where I HAVE to have medical insurance cover that I have realised that I would struggle to go back to that system now. Either in SE Asia, Australia or the US (where I mainly work) the speed of the response and care that I have had is just light years head of the NHS. I want to see a doctor? I dont have to wait in line, or try and phone at 8am to a jam packed phone line to try and book an appointment for the following day or the day after. I can see a doctor within 30 minutes. Any further tests I need, blood, MRI, CT scan etc, all done within a couple of hours.
I realise that I am lucky enough to be able to pay for it, but I also realise that the service that the NHS provides is so cumbersome and slow, and is probably unsustainable. The government most likely knows this, but it would be an earthquake for future term in office for anyone to come out and state the obvious.
Private healthcare is probably inevitable for the UK. If I was in the UK I wouldnt mind paying private insurance on the basis that I could choose NOT to contribute to it in my tax returns. How feasible this is I dont know.....
(*this is currently not possible with non EU GPS due to the tier 2 visa regulations, but its used to recruit doctors from the EU all of the time who have no such issues. Freedom of work and all that*)
They salary a GP on around 50k a year and then charge the NHS almost three times that to use them to cover their capacity shortfalls. Capitalism at its finest with the social mechanic of the NHS being held hostage because of its own inefficiencies.
These agencies for the most part have ZERO interest in supplying permanent GPs to the NHS because of the cash cow of the locum industry. These same agencies as well also work as an agent to take UK doctors (not locums) out of the country and overseas, taking advantage of the poor morale in the workforce at the moment.
In short the NHS is getting shafted from both ends. A dwindling workforce they are struggling to backfill with a budget crushing solution.
The basic principle of the NHS is great, it looked after my father during his struggles with multiple sclerosis, its facilities and its professionals allowed my wife to give birth to our two wonderful children, and it has been great on countless occassions with the general healthcare of my family.
It is, however, only after I moved overseas where I HAVE to have medical insurance cover that I have realised that I would struggle to go back to that system now. Either in SE Asia, Australia or the US (where I mainly work) the speed of the response and care that I have had is just light years head of the NHS. I want to see a doctor? I dont have to wait in line, or try and phone at 8am to a jam packed phone line to try and book an appointment for the following day or the day after. I can see a doctor within 30 minutes. Any further tests I need, blood, MRI, CT scan etc, all done within a couple of hours.
I realise that I am lucky enough to be able to pay for it, but I also realise that the service that the NHS provides is so cumbersome and slow, and is probably unsustainable. The government most likely knows this, but it would be an earthquake for future term in office for anyone to come out and state the obvious.
Private healthcare is probably inevitable for the UK. If I was in the UK I wouldnt mind paying private insurance on the basis that I could choose NOT to contribute to it in my tax returns. How feasible this is I dont know.....
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The problem is a lot of medical insurances do not cover pre-existing conditions, so people end up stuck with the NHS even if they wanted to pay for it.
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My NHS horror story:
My Mum is 80 years old with COPD and around 25% lung capacity. She's been told they can't do any more for her except pills and she has signed a DNAR. She keeps getting virus's and Thursday her Matron decided to call an ambulance with suspected pneuomonia.
So we get to A&E at 4pm on Thursday, wait with the Paramedics for 3 hours while there were 24 other patients on trolleys in front of us. We finally get into a cubicle at 8pm going past rows & rows of patients lining the corridors.
She has an Xray, ECG & blood tests and the Consultant sees her at 9pm and decided to refer her to a ward but there will be a wait. We are found a place in the corridor and I stayed with her until 2am. When I walked out the A&E reception was full with druggies, alcoholics and immigrants, I actually ran to my car.
My Sister visited her in the morning still in the corrider and I went at 2:30pm and she was still in the A&E corridor. Exactly 24 hours later she was found a bed in AMU.
There is a story here - http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/nhs-...-a-long-wait/story-29971212-detail/story.html
My Mum is 80 years old with COPD and around 25% lung capacity. She's been told they can't do any more for her except pills and she has signed a DNAR. She keeps getting virus's and Thursday her Matron decided to call an ambulance with suspected pneuomonia.
So we get to A&E at 4pm on Thursday, wait with the Paramedics for 3 hours while there were 24 other patients on trolleys in front of us. We finally get into a cubicle at 8pm going past rows & rows of patients lining the corridors.
She has an Xray, ECG & blood tests and the Consultant sees her at 9pm and decided to refer her to a ward but there will be a wait. We are found a place in the corridor and I stayed with her until 2am. When I walked out the A&E reception was full with druggies, alcoholics and immigrants, I actually ran to my car.
My Sister visited her in the morning still in the corrider and I went at 2:30pm and she was still in the A&E corridor. Exactly 24 hours later she was found a bed in AMU.
There is a story here - http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/nhs-...-a-long-wait/story-29971212-detail/story.html
grim experience hope she gets better dave.
one question though is that the hospital in stoke with the major trauma unit?
cause i know every patient from even miles into north wales gets taken there for major truma (bike crashes etc) and nearly al lthe air ambulances head there because its such a good unit , which may put up A&E wait times.
but all i know is its stoke, not if its a general hospital or a specialist separate unit tbh.
one question though is that the hospital in stoke with the major trauma unit?
cause i know every patient from even miles into north wales gets taken there for major truma (bike crashes etc) and nearly al lthe air ambulances head there because its such a good unit , which may put up A&E wait times.
but all i know is its stoke, not if its a general hospital or a specialist separate unit tbh.
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You can pay outside of an insurance policy for anything not covered.
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Think that's currently pretty standard for most hospitals this winter. Certainly is where I work.
Firstly, the NHS needs to stop just being a pill dispenser as if its the one and only resort. (For things where an operation is in fact an option) It's amazing you can wait weeks or even months just to get some crappy anti-depressant or pain relief.
I'll stop being cynical of it when it starts working.
I'll stop being cynical of it when it starts working.
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