Scan of Todays Sun - Friendly Fire Incident

AcidHell2 said:
That's why the video shouldn't get leaked, I hope the person who leaked it goes to jail if there is any classified material contained in it. Military videos should not be released without screening and/or censoring. Theres to much at risk, if the pilots get identified then there lifes are at risk from lynch mobs. Then you have all the technical data that can be gleamed from said videos.
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Well you keep on caring about the US pilots. I'll continue to care more for our own soldiers.
 
robmiller said:
A tabloid has done something admirable, it's shocking me to my very core :eek:

They did it to sell more papers, sure, but still!
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What The Sun did (an archetypal right wing, pro-war, pro-USA newspaper) was what I would expect from the Mirror :) So praise where it's due :)
 
dirtydog said:
Well you keep on caring about the US pilots. I'll continue to care more for our own soldiers.
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I care for both, the american forces should find out what caused it, by the look of it bad communications.

1) too friendly
2) too much chit chat
3) relaying incorrect or ambiguous coordinates.

I work on the railways and would never have to use phones unless in an emergency. But even I have had a days course on these simple things.

jailing the two pilots will do sod all, it wont bring back are dead soldiers. What needs to happen is lessons learnt and actions taken to insure it doesn't happen again.

Taking your line will just get more of are troops killed :mad:
 
Phnom_Penh said:
But there wasn't doubt. They were explicitly told that there were no friendlies in the area. How exactly can you send the pilots to prison? What you going to charge them with? manslaughter? It's not like they carried on after being told it was blue on blue. I think the main blame lies in the fact that they were not taught to identify British armour, which is retarded.
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if there was no doubt why did they keep questioning it? and if you LISTEN to his voice not the words he doesnt sound confident that they are not friendlies.
 
AcidHell2 said:
But thats a problem with the us forces as a whole and there lack of training shouldn't mean they are punished. Things should be learned and new procedures be bought into place.
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but it does happen everytime there is a conflict and the US is involved (so pretty much every war then !)
 
arfur said:
if there was no doubt why did they keep questioning it? and if you LISTEN to his voice not the words he doesnt sound confident that they are not friendlies.
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he did have doubts, which is why he got command to repeat that no friendlys where in the area, which again they came back with a negative. so he fired. Simple really.

arfur said:
but it does happen everytime there is a conflict and the US is involved (so pretty much every war then !)
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as I said things need to happen, using the pilots as escape goats so more training and/or new procedures don't come into force isn't the awnser. US is probably happy that the pilots are getting blamed. If the pilots are to blame there's nothing to fix so they can carry on as normal.
 
People aren't even thinking of the family here. It's "OMG prison omg gratz to who leaked the footage omg i just watched"

From what some of you say here it's as if the pilots need to ask to go to the damn toilet. He asks atleast TWICE whether there are friendlies around or not and is told that there aren't. I think the wife of the soldier has even forgotten about her husbands death and imo it's pathetic that she's allied with the sun. OH and I think I'm right in saying the footage wasn't leaked at all, it was released.
 
Sad that in the 21st century we still rely on panels of orange cloth to help stop things like this happening.

(queue the military gun nuts)
 
Surly with all the technology we have now in jets costing millions of $/£ they should be able to identify friendlies?. Seems very strange they have to rely on looking out of the window to identify who they're shooting at.

I know it wasn't the pilots fault but they could have shown a bit of remorse that they had just killed another human being instead of being so concerned about going to jail.
 
Mark A said:
I know it wasn't the pilots fault but they could have shown a bit of remorse that they had just killed another human being instead of being so concerned about going to jail.
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I think theres some form of reflective panels only seen with infared or some other cameras. AS well as some sort of radio. But I don't know much about it. The problem is what ever can be created can be cracked, just like copy right. As soon as it's cracked then enemies don't have to be worried with being shot at. The other problem with so many nations and equipment being used it's hard to equip each vehicle with every countries friend or foe system.

who wouldn't be the same. Its not as if you see anyone dead, they fired there missiles and saw an explosion on a tv screen. when they where told they sobbed and one said or was sick. As far as they where concerned they did it correctly and could face prison.
 
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It aint a logistical problem, its the cost of doing it.

1 mans life ain't worth the cost, sad but true economics.
 
AcidHell2 said:
I care for both, the american forces should find out what caused it, by the look of it bad communications.

1) too friendly
2) too much chit chat
3) relaying incorrect or ambiguous coordinates.

I work on the railways and would never have to use phones unless in an emergency. But even I have had a days course on these simple things.

jailing the two pilots will do sod all, it wont bring back are dead soldiers. What needs to happen is lessons learnt and actions taken to insure it doesn't happen again.

Taking your line will just get more of are troops killed :mad:
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My line will bring everything out in the open so lessons can be learned, and if there are guilty people, they can be punished.

The US/UK line is to sweep it all under the carpet and pretend everything is shiny happy perfect.
 
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If thats the case then great, but you did say

dirtydog said:
The only just outcome is for the pilots to go to prison I'm afraid.
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That's not finding and solving the problems, that's jailing potentially and probably innocent people and wiping the us forces of any responsibility.
 
Fair enough, the whole thing should be examined to determine where the fault lies; whether it is with the systems that are in place, or with the pilots. It does seem to me at first blush that the pilots are to blame, but I am prepared for a public court or tribunal to determine that.
 
Efour2 said:
Sad that in the 21st century we still rely on panels of orange cloth to help stop things like this happening.
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i couldnt believe it lol

lots of tax money spent on hi tech gizmos etc and they use an orange panel.....

whats stopping the enemy just painting panels orange :p
 
:) were thinking much along the same lines, however I lean towards the systems. as this isn't a isolated system. Every war America fights it seems to have a larger than average friendly fire incidents. Which surly has to mean something fundamental is wrong. If it was an isolated incident the pilots would more than likely be to blame.
 
I trust the papers unbiased viewpoint will be reflected on any further transcripts that detail servicemen attacking enemies

"On the tape, one pilot — call sign POPOV36 - appears to gloat sickeningly during the attack.

He is egged on by the second — call sign POPOV35 — who encourages: “Get him, get him!”

Looking down at the chaos as a soldier drags burning comrades from the vehicles, he adds: “It looks like he is hauling ass. Ha Ha.”.
 
that was before they knew it was friendlies...


when they found out they said "i feel sick"

dont know if the paper pointed it out because i dont buy it
 
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