School criticized for not being multicultural enough

asim18 said:
You're blaming the wrong people. The non-appearance of moderate Muslims in media is because it would be contradictory to the sensationalist and propagandist aim of the very stories they're trying to sell! I (as a non-muslim with first hand experience with hundreds of Muslims and their beliefs) and every Muslim I personally know would be very keen to share a few non-biased words on stories about deluded criminals using Islam as a scapegoat for their wholly independent actions.

When moderate Muslims hear stuff like "Muslims want to take over so and so" do you really think they all "completely" disappear and wouldn't want to let people know the fact that "Hey I'm a Muslim here, and I don't have any plans to take over anything" :confused: If you really think so you're displaying signs of media brainwashing.

Muslims don't just disappear (I still don't really understand how anyone can be baffled enough to actually come to that conclusion, but hey ho this is OcUK), the media doesn't report on issues properly.

For every news subject you have special correspondents who give actual learned insight into particular stories. But when there's a headline that says "Muslims are taking over... (insert random place here)" for example, you hear nothing from an actual Muslim.

The reason you don't see the moderates "taking action" is because the act of "taking action" would mean relinquishing their moderative views. It would be nurturing hypocrisy... Then all the anti-Islam brigade would have more fuel for their hate... "oh the moderates aren't being very moderate" whine whine whine.
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I'd also argue it isn't the responsibility of moderate Muslims to bring extremisms in line. Islam doesn't have a standard leadership or power structure like say Catholicism.

It would be equally absurd to expect me to bring in line extremists atheists (how exactly would I do that?), or for moderate Christians to bring in line the fundamentalists?.

It's as you say, the media only focuses on 'militant' (ridiculous term tbh) atheists & religious fundamentalists (none of the more balanced from any of the groups) simply because it more appealing to the public due to the controversy.
 
robgmun said:
Because it's very difficult for a devote Muslim who follows his religion to the letter to live in British society. Everywhere he goes in this country there is stuff that flies in the face of his view of religion. Women going around uncovered, smoking, drinking, eating pork and country full of kafirs, So is it really surprising they will always try to find ways to make the UK to be more to there liking.

And they have been for the last 20 years extremely successful at it. There was a woman on daily politics the other day and as soon as she started talking she pulled the race card, as long and Muslims keep doing this there will always be hate for them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27736270

It doesn't help that time and again that moderate Muslim completely disappear when things like this happen, it gives the impression to the rest of the UK that all Muslim think like this. And when they do finally appear there condemnation is lacklustre and without conviction
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Try and get the do-gooders to understand this.
 
On a positive note, on of the local mosques here in Christchurch split as a group of Muslims attending there accused the Imam of hate speech. Quite nice to read for once about Muslims standing up to these scum. The media should report things like this more.
 
estebanrey said:
You are misunderstanding what a racist is. It is someone who hates ANY race/creed not someone who hates EVERY race/creed other than their own.

A person who has a black wife but hates Pakistanis is still a racist. Alternatively, someone who likes 'westernised' Asian women but dislikes their traditional counterpart and thinks they should all convert to the former would also be racist.
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This does not reflect the traditional definition of what racism is.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
This does not reflect the traditional definition of what racism is.
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Indeed, it seems that the lefties in this forum as come up with a whole new argument that doesn't actually exist anywhere else. Not that it matters anyway because to be frank they've overused the phrase so often we've all developed a blind-spot for the word. We all don't care anymore if you call us racist. As the left for some bizarre reason protecting the most xenophobic, misogynist and bigoted cultures on the planet since the Naizs
 
robgmun said:
Indeed, it seems that the lefties in this forum as come up with a whole new argument that doesn't actually exist anywhere else. Not that it matters anyway because to be frank they've overused the phrase so often we've all developed a blind-spot for the word. We all don't care anymore if you call us racist. As the left for some bizarre reason protecting the most xenophobic, misogynist and bigoted cultures on the planet since the Naizs
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Completely this^ A*
 
robgmun said:
Indeed, it seems that the lefties in this forum as come up with a whole new argument that doesn't actually exist anywhere else. Not that it matters anyway because to be frank they've overused the phrase so often we've all developed a blind-spot for the word. We all don't care anymore if you call us racist. As the left for some bizarre reason protecting the most xenophobic, misogynist and bigoted cultures on the planet since the Naizs
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This is a fallacy, mean 'left leaning' people are strongly opposed to the negative aspects (actual things done, not sweeping generalisations of behaviour mind) of certain cultures & religions.

I'm fully able to criticise the downsides of a given culture or religion without being branded a racist or xenophobe.

Thompson_NCL said:
This does not reflect the traditional definition of what racism is.
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Ahhh, nothing like a good old semantic argument to ignore the content as to what's been said.

You are wrong.
 
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elmarko said:
Ahhh, nothing like a good old semantic argument to ignore the content as to what's been said.

You are wrong.
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The 'progressives' are the ones who started twisting and contorting language in order to suppress those who disagreed with them and reshape how society thinks. Semantics thus becomes the tool by which to fight back against their 1984 style tactics.

And I'm right.
 
elmarko said:
This is a fallacy, mean 'left leaning' people are strongly opposed to the negative aspects (actual things done, not sweeping generalisations of behaviour mind) of certain cultures & religions.
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They seem to be so busy strongly opposing the right on how they feel about other cultures & religions (whether they are are right or wrong) They failed to notice that the cultures & religions they are defending are actually worse then their misguided notion that the right are fascists for expressing their point of view.

I'm fully able to criticise the downsides of a given culture or religion without being branded a racist or xenophobe.
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You're free to do so but you won't get far before criticism gets flung your way, i haven't seen you be anything but liberal and not criticise the downsides of the cultures of Islam yet




Ahhh, nothing like a good old semantic argument to ignore the content as to what's been said.

You are wrong.
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Saying his wrong doesn't make it so

elmarko said:
1984 style tactics... lol....

"Stupid Picture"
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Ahhh i see now, when one argument fails, you now try to resort to trying to brand genuine concern as 9/11 conspiracy nutcases, how lame
 
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1984 style tactics... lol....
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I am not suggesting there is any concious conspiracy, or that the 'progressives' all meet up in secret to plot and plan. That would be giving them far too much credit. For the vast majority of the 'progressives' this is entirely unconscious 'group think' and there is no conspiracy amongst those who do know why they are doing it.
 
robgmun said:
They seem to be so busy strongly opposing the right on how they feel about other cultures & religions (whether they are are right or wrong) They failed to notice that the cultures & religions they are defending are actually worse then their misguided notion that the right are fascists for expressing their point of view.

You're free to do so but you won't get far before criticism gets flung your way, i haven't seen you be anything but liberal and not criticise the downsides of the cultures of Islam yet
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I've you had spent time in speakers corner you would have seen countless threads in which I've condemned how certain aspects of dogmatic Islamic or fundamentalist Christian culture are oppressive to homosexuals, treatment of women, atheists - when certain cultures engage in the mutilation of the genitals of children, against the entire concept of faith schools, my opposition to any form of religion law in the law in favour of a secular society.

The reason I'm not called a racist is because firstly I don't have a history of posting racist & xenophobic comments, my opposition is based on practices which either indoctrinate, cause human suffering or overstep the parental boundaries making physical deformations of a child without consent & nothing to do with the fact they are Muslims, Christians or anything else.

If I only commented on the actions of one specific cultural group & selectively ignored the rest it would be safe to assume my motives were not that honest.

Is behaviour & actions we should oppose.

The simple fact is, you can criticise anything - as long as you have a rational & reasoned argument which isn't a smokescreen for ulterior motives (as usually people will see through it).

robgmun said:
Saying his wrong doesn't make it so
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No it doesn't, but just because I can't be bothered to educate him it doesn't mean he's right either.

robgmun said:
Ahhh i see now, when one argument fails, you now try to resort to trying to brand genuine concern as 9/11 conspiracy nutcases, how lame
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Perhaps if he didn't use 1984 phrasing he wouldn't sound so unbalanced, besides not everybody on this forum is worth debating with.
 
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elmarko said:
I've you had spent time in speakers corner you would have seen countless threads in which I've condemned how certain aspects of dogmatic Islamic or fundamentalist Christian culture are oppressive to homosexuals, treatment of women, atheists - when certain cultures engage in the mutilation of the genitals of children, against the entire concept of faith schools, my opposition to any form of religion law in the law in favour of a secular society.

The reason I'm not called a racist is because firstly I don't have a history of posting racist & xenophobic comments, my opposition is based on practices which either indoctrinate, cause human suffering or overstep the parental boundaries making physical deformations of a child without consent & nothing to do with the fact they are Muslims.

If I only commented on the actions of one specific cultural group & selectively ignored the rest it would be safe to assume my motives were not that honest.
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Now we're back to the elmarko i know and love :)

Is behaviour & actions we should oppose.
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Ok, fair enough, but what about if the root cause of those behaviours & actions is one particular ideology or religion? Would you completely ignore that? Even in the face of extensive evidence?
 
Today, the government defines extremism as "vocal or active opposition to fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs"
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The government is right on this (for what's it's worth) but how is the culture of Islam supposed to be ok with any of that when ideology flies in the face of "British values"?
 
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