There is just so much fail in this thread.
Yep.
Schumacher is just the dirtiest most unsporting driver in F1
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Yep.
Maybe they'll bring back Heinz Harold Frentzen or Ralf Schmuacher.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Merc would have to build a bigger car to get Heinz back in to it.... (Mansel 95 style...)
On a serious note everyones right in saying MS was fighting a battle he had already lost. Credit to Rubens for going the hard way to show up how over the top MS is being some times (really felt the stewards needed to give him a proper penalty for taking Kubica off in Canada) but I wonder what would have happened if Rubens went the easy way round... My bet is a massive block from MS or something that would have ended up like a break test... Either way banning MS never really solved the problem before back in the day so I dont see how banning him after that would help, though he must see the comeback as a bit of a hard slog now...
ms took kubica off in canada? kubica was never going to make the corner and renault even said if it werent for schumacher cutting across the grass they both would have crashed.
to many drivers act like they have something to proove and sling their car down the side of schumacher and try to force him into a crash
to many drivers act like they have something to proove and sling their car down the side of schumacher and try to force him into a crash
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Some people are just stupid, it wasn't weaving, or the lack of weaving or anything else, Barrichello wasn't behind him and about to go into the space when Schumy tried to put him in the wall, he was completely alongside, it was incredibly reckless, as Rubens said if the wall didn't finish there both cars were going to crash, and badly, at their top speed.
He should have been instantly black flagged and anyone that doesn't think so really is stupid.
IT wasn't racing, it wasn't defensive, when someones alongside you, pushing them over into a wall is not defensive, its trying to force a crash, nothing more or less. If he'd done that BEFORE Rubens got alongside thats a defensive move, trying to turn into a car you know is there, that has no where to go, is utterly utterly reckless.
But Schumy did make a valid point after the race, he made his move, he took the middle/slight right hand side of the track down the straight, that move was clear as day and he did it early. Rubens had FAR more room down the outside, and would have had the better corner if he went up the outside of Schumy, his point after the race was, I moved over, most people had a clear choice which side to go.... then theirs Rubens.
Rubens was completely stupid to go up the inside, on the narrower side, into a corner he would have had ended up wide in and given Schumy the chance up the inside out of the corner, it was a daft move, but he made it and Schumy should never, in a million years, have turned into him.
That was just dangerous, nothing more or less, when he took out Hill after he had screwed his car to win the title, that was just poor sportmanship, and cheating and he should have been done for it, but it wasn't "that" dangerous, lower speed corner, no walls, slight clip, hated to see it but that was a different level to pushing someone into a wall at their top speed.
Even more stupidly is if Barrichello hits the wall Schumy's car is taken out aswell, and badly, it was utterly retarded by Schumy.
He should have been instantly black flagged and anyone that doesn't think so really is stupid.
IT wasn't racing, it wasn't defensive, when someones alongside you, pushing them over into a wall is not defensive, its trying to force a crash, nothing more or less. If he'd done that BEFORE Rubens got alongside thats a defensive move, trying to turn into a car you know is there, that has no where to go, is utterly utterly reckless.
But Schumy did make a valid point after the race, he made his move, he took the middle/slight right hand side of the track down the straight, that move was clear as day and he did it early. Rubens had FAR more room down the outside, and would have had the better corner if he went up the outside of Schumy, his point after the race was, I moved over, most people had a clear choice which side to go.... then theirs Rubens.
Rubens was completely stupid to go up the inside, on the narrower side, into a corner he would have had ended up wide in and given Schumy the chance up the inside out of the corner, it was a daft move, but he made it and Schumy should never, in a million years, have turned into him.
That was just dangerous, nothing more or less, when he took out Hill after he had screwed his car to win the title, that was just poor sportmanship, and cheating and he should have been done for it, but it wasn't "that" dangerous, lower speed corner, no walls, slight clip, hated to see it but that was a different level to pushing someone into a wall at their top speed.
Even more stupidly is if Barrichello hits the wall Schumy's car is taken out aswell, and badly, it was utterly retarded by Schumy.
Yeah i has half asleep and was thinking of a few moments all rolled into one...
What i was really thinking of was the last time at Fiji where someone got squeezed down the wall there... (cant remember any of the details as despite enjoying the races there, i cant really remember them)
On the one hand having the opportunity to say i beat ms is quality, but on the other hand sometimes he shouldnt defend against the inevitable, so yesterday he was trying to hang on to a place that had gone the moment he left that corner and he knew it, thats more whats he's been penalised for in my view opposed to trying to really hurt rubens
surely its the attacking drivers job to get around the car not for schumacher to pretend hes beeing lapped
Your picture doesn't show that though, because closing fast was not what the gap was doing.
Schumacher meandered towards the right side of the track. If he truly wanted to defend the right hand side he would have moved properly, not waited until it was too late and overstep the mark with his intimidation.
As I said before, I'm all for holding your line, but Rubens has a legitimate presence on his RHS when he reaches the white line and it is at that point Schumacher already knew he had lost the inside line, so why take him all the way to the wall? In the hope he can intimidate him into conceding? We're beyond that point.
It was just dangerous on Schumacher's part.
Schumacher meandered towards the right side of the track. If he truly wanted to defend the right hand side he would have moved properly, not waited until it was too late and overstep the mark with his intimidation.
As I said before, I'm all for holding your line, but Rubens has a legitimate presence on his RHS when he reaches the white line and it is at that point Schumacher already knew he had lost the inside line, so why take him all the way to the wall? In the hope he can intimidate him into conceding? We're beyond that point.
It was just dangerous on Schumacher's part.
Man of Honour
From the car cam view I watched Schumacher carried a straight line & did Not deviate the path of his car at all.
That picture you posted arknor makes a good case for Schumacher being in the wrong. It shows that at the point of pulling alongside, there was a good 2 or more car widths space for Rubens. I think that the problem comes from you misunderstanding the allowed one move to defend your position. You are allowed one move to block the driver, but this does not grant you permission to push a driver that is alongside you into a wall. How you could think that it does is beyond me.
Regardless, even Schumacher having seeing the footage has now issued an apology and said that the stewards were correct to punish him.
Regardless, even Schumacher having seeing the footage has now issued an apology and said that the stewards were correct to punish him.
Drivers think it's wrong, stewards think it's wrong, even schumacher now thinks it is wrong.
People on forums will never believe it though
That's because you're blind.
Heard on the radio this morning Derek Warwick (who was on the FIA panel at the race weekend) said if MS had carried out that manoeuvre earlier in the race, there was a good chance he would have been black flagged and/or banned from the following race.
Looks like the FIA have grown some balls to punish MS, maybe now because he isn't driving a Ferrari?
Looks like the FIA have grown some balls to punish MS, maybe now because he isn't driving a Ferrari?
Pretty much.Heard on the radio this morning Derek Warwick (who was on the FIA panel at the race weekend) said if MS had carried out that manoeuvre earlier in the race, there was a good chance he would have been black flagged and/or banned from the following race.
Looks like the FIA have grown some balls to punish MS, maybe now because he isn't driving a Ferrari?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8880167.stm
Either way, Warwick feels that the 10 place grid penalty is harsh enough, as it effectively puts him out of the running at Spa.
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Should it matter if it happens on lap 1 or lap 70?
Both drivers were cm's from the barrier at top speed. Whichever way you cut it, Schumacher (& Rubens) got off comparatively lightly.
Both drivers were cm's from the barrier at top speed. Whichever way you cut it, Schumacher (& Rubens) got off comparatively lightly.
Yeah mate watch it all. It's epic!
I would if it had decent audio.
Soldato
I read this morning, that since the weekend, MSc has watched the replay from multiple angles, and now agrees with the stewards decision saying that the move was un-necessarilly harsh and that he would like to apologise to Rubens.
I am afraid I am going to have to give him a few brownie points this time, I don't want to, I don't like the guy, but it does take some courage to apologise publically.
I am afraid I am going to have to give him a few brownie points this time, I don't want to, I don't like the guy, but it does take some courage to apologise publically.
Until the early nineties yes, but driver and crowd safety is now more important.