scout update TF2

bledd · 26 Feb 2009 at 10:30

Alpherah said:
The new scatter gun? whats the point seriously? at best its a terrible

extra mobility = win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCxUu_A-MI&fmt=18&feature=channel

Alpherah · 26 Feb 2009 at 11:40

Which is fun. but not exactly useful in real combat with the limited long ranged options available to a scout is it.

OliP · 26 Feb 2009 at 11:47

Alpherah said:
The scout unlocks are really, really poor.
The new scatter gun? whats the point seriously? at best its a terrible replacement for the double jump if using the bat and ball and at worst its useless with only 2 shots per clip on anything you couldnt pretty much 2 hit with the bat anyway - and yes, you do have to be-that- close due to its reduced damage, but more bullets fired.
Bat and ball - Ok, this sucks too, great for stunning the medic or heavy in an uber rush to **** things over but for the entire rest of the time your useless since it does next to no damage against non stunned targets.
Energy drink - the one saving grace, its awesome .. wouldnt swap this now.

Once you get good with the new gun and the Bat + Ball they are awesome.
You are very hard to kill as a scout and running in, picking off enemies one at a time by 2 shots, reload, stun, 2 shots is very effective, I have been getting some very nice scores as the scout on arena maps.
Because of the lack of healing, I am able to pick peoples hp down slowly by ambushing and running away, then when i think their hp will be low enough, stun, 2 shots and they are dead, taking out 5 or 6 people from the enemy team seems very good too me.
I love stunning then 2 shotting medics while the heavy, demo, pyro is facing the other way

And I don't really like the drink much, I have switched back to the pistol because i like being able to do some damage from a distance when needed.

snowdog · 26 Feb 2009 at 11:49

I HATE that force-a-nature and the new bat, it makes playing as a pyro impossible, they just knock you back out of range of your flamethrower with 1 shot then finish you. New bat thing is just annoying when you're ubered.
The shotgun is so overpowered.

bledd · 26 Feb 2009 at 11:51

Alpherah said:
Which is fun. but not exactly useful in real combat with the limited long ranged options available to a scout is it.

Quick get away, enhanced manoeuvrability, there's nothing worse for a heavy than fast agile scout

Being able to quickly flow through maps will really help him cap points, especially in maps like badlands

bledd · 26 Feb 2009 at 11:52

snowdog said:
I HATE that force-a-nature and the new bat, it makes playing as a pyro impossible, they just knock you back out of range of your flamethrower with 1 shot then finish you. New bat thing is just annoying when you're ubered.
The shotgun is so overpowered.

Pyro is easy to kill with most classes though. Demo & Solider have easy two hit kills against them:

shoot at feet, then melee when they're mid-air or shoot them again.

Medic with blut vs medic = medic wins most of the time

CliffyBiro · 26 Feb 2009 at 11:53

Will try it out for a bit today.

psychas · 26 Feb 2009 at 12:05

snowdog said:
I HATE that force-a-nature and the new bat, it makes playing as a pyro impossible, they just knock you back out of range of your flamethrower with 1 shot then finish you. New bat thing is just annoying when you're ubered.
The shotgun is so overpowered.

shotgun overpowered :confused:

is underpowered as hell. and the drink is useless as u cant do anything while u in effect not even shoot.

one thing witch is good is the bat + ball, but in my opinion ubers should not be stunned.

bledd · 26 Feb 2009 at 12:09

on the TF2 forum, they're all praising the bonk drink, as you can act as a diversion to all sgs, whilst your team's demo's etc take them out

snowdog · 26 Feb 2009 at 12:50

bledd. said:
Pyro is easy to kill with most classes though. Demo & Solider have easy two hit kills against them:

shoot at feet, then melee when they're mid-air or shoot them again.

Medic with blut vs medic = medic wins most of the time

Not when I play as a pyro

( nearly only play goldrush). My problem is though, scouts were NEVER an issue, they were easy kills, now they make my fly back out of attack range

. How can a guy so thin push back a guy with a heavy flamethrower in a heavy anti heat suit ?

psychas said:
shotgun overpowered is underpowered as hell. and the drink is useless as u cant do anything while u in effect not even shoot.

one thing witch is good is the bat + ball, but in my opinion ubers should not be stunned.

It may have less damage, but more bullets which make up for it.
The push back and fire speed more than makes up for it, it's impossible to come close to a scout now and have fun, before the update even when I was a heavy I just used boxing gloves for fun against scouts, now it's impossible.

It's very easy to play as a soldier now I have noticed and engineer has it easier too, but I find playing as them boring, I like being a pyro or heavy.
EDIT WTF I just flew like 5 yards from a bloody shotgun shot while being a heavy, they have screwed the balance, there shouldn't be any weapons except demomans stuff, rockets and turrets that move you when hit.
Force a nature is impossible.

uber soldat · 26 Feb 2009 at 12:57

I have pretty much never played as scout because of how underpowered they were, how long approximately will it take to unlock all the new scout items?

bledd · 26 Feb 2009 at 16:04

a few small fixes released..

Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes include:

Gameplay changes

* Removed the damage reduction against non-stunned enemies on the new bat
* Players with full health can now pick up dropped sandviches

Fixes

* Reverted the change that treated chat text starting with / as a command instead of passing it through as chat
* Fixed a crash related to baseball impacts
* Fixed the Heavy's hands disappearing when he's stunned while wearing the KGB
* Fixed the BONK! particles appearing in the air when the bat's taunt kill is used on a target
* Fixed Force-A-Nature description not fitting inside the item window
* Fixed the Axtinguisher

Tobes · 26 Feb 2009 at 20:53

OK so I bought the game. Feel free to add me as I have no idea how to play it. UserID Tob3z

Also, there seems to be someone with the userpage ID "Tobes", userID billiondead. who has joined the Overclockers group. I must know who this bum hole is and why he has stole my name! All I know... is he lives in Manchester...

CrowK · 26 Feb 2009 at 21:25

Tobes said:
... is he lives in Manchester...

let that be punishment enough

Gerard · 26 Feb 2009 at 21:47

Have they fixed the taunt animations yet? At the minute you only hear the words and the model just stands there with their lips moving.

As for some of the updates, can't really believe valve "fixed" the facestab issue by making the spy kill even faster. Basically they just shortened\sped up the animation and that was it

Blackhawk47 · 26 Feb 2009 at 22:22

Gerard said:
Have they fixed the taunt animations yet? At the minute you only hear the words and the model just stands there with their lips moving.

Seems to be a problem with certain servers, because tonight, ive been bouncing around a few servers and its definatly a server bound issue. Not sure why some get it and some dont....

bledd · 27 Feb 2009 at 08:39

Tobes said:
OK so I bought the game. Feel free to add me as I have no idea how to play it. UserID Tob3z

Also, there seems to be someone with the userpage ID "Tobes", userID billiondead. who has joined the Overclockers group. I must know who this bum hole is and why he has stole my name! All I know... is he lives in Manchester...

a good map to learn on..

pl_badwater

if you're blue you push the cart (by standing on it/near it) to the red base, going through checkpoints which add more time to the clock

if you're red, you try and stop blue.

i'd play with either... pyro/solider/medic to get used to the gameplay, medic is a good one to start with imo so you can watch other people play as you heal them.

once your 'ubercharge' reaches 100% when healing someone, you can right click and they'll become invulnerable for 10 seconds (and glow red or blue, depending which team you're on) -you will be invulnerable too, just keep close to them so it doesn't 'break' the stream

feel free to add me mate 'bledd' will have a few games together to get you started

uber soldat · 27 Feb 2009 at 08:58

Gerard said:
Have they fixed the taunt animations yet? At the minute you only hear the words and the model just stands there with their lips moving.

As for some of the updates, can't really believe valve "fixed" the facestab issue by making the spy kill even faster. Basically they just shortened\sped up the animation and that was it

If you were playing on GTFO servers they disabled the taunts as it was causing servers to crash.

PikeyPriest · 27 Feb 2009 at 12:38

Not sure i like it that the energy drink scouts can't be hit by turrets (thats what it seems anyway). Otherwise you dont even need to uber the demo/soldier/heavy taking out the turret if the sentry is firing none-stop at something it can't kill. Might really mess up defending maps if this is the case.

uv · 27 Feb 2009 at 12:44

PikeyPriest said:
Not sure i like it that the energy drink scouts can't be hit by turrets

I see it as a great thing

1) it promotes teamwork - you need a soldier/demo and scout to work together to take out a sentry
2) it prevents turtling, and 2 hour 2fort stalemates

Before anyone say's it's an overpowered tactic, teamwork from the defenders can break this - a pyro can airblast stickies and rockets away whilst the engi repairs.

It's TEAM fortress