Scrappage Scam Extended

[TW]Fox;14983477 said:
To the joy of middle class people everywhere, who can continue to trade in third cars for brand new cars (Because lets face it, skint people who run a banger because its all they can afford cannot afford a new car even with scrappage), the scrappage scam has been extended. Your tax money can continue to save people who fancy a brand new Korean car money! Excellent news.
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It isn't about the people, it is about the car retail industry. It doesn't matter who does it, as long as some do. And it is working.
 
Janesy B said:
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Poor Fiesta. Someone tried to save it but the owner was adamant to scrap it. By all means take smoke old rusty cars off of the road but don't destroy classics.

Breaks my heart to see images like that. A car that has been cared for, looked after and loved over two decades just cut in half.
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To be fair that's not the greatest example. It's an absolute piece of ****.

Unless you were kidding?
 
stockhausen said:
Nobody is FORCED to scrap a ten year old car
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Dealers taking in scrappage cars are.

If their existing 10 year old car car is safe, reliable and economical and they expect that happy state of affairs to continue, they really aren't that likely to be that interested in selling it and buying a newer 2nd hand car, hoping that it will be as reliable as their much loved existing transport.
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Of course they are. That assumes the only reason for a change of car is if its unsafe or unreliable. People might be bored. My previous car was safe, reliable and economical. I still changed it for one that was less reliable and less economical. Your point makes no sense.

Its what happens after they are traded thats important where IMHO the key failing is.
 
Robbie G said:
You're happy to drive round in that, fine. Thousands wouldn't turn up to work or the golf club in something like that if they could help it, and I'm one of them.
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Means he gets to run his other car, a 400bhp VX220. Perhaps thats more important than people at the Golf loving your new lease/hire/whatever Golf thing ;)
 
Robbie G said:
Haha, I've never heard someone compare a 20 year old Fiesta to the Mona Lisa. Amazing :D.
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There's a first for everything ;)

While I don't really like the old Fiestas (or the Mona Lisa for that matter), some people appreciate them as classics and that car did look in amazing condition... The front of it that is.
 
Robbie G

When does a new car, become an old car?

After 3 years and 364 days?

Does it spontaneously combust after reaching 100k on the clocks?

When its no longer serviced by the main dealer?
 
It is quite amusing how he has gone from driving an N reg Polo to being a new car 'snob' in less than 6 months.

How did he cope at the Golf Club before scrappage?
 
[TW]Fox;14986459 said:
Dealers taking in scrappage cars are [FORCED to scrap a ten year old car].
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I suspect that with most dealers, if you took in a ten year old car in "mint" condition and worth more to them than £1,000, they would manage to find some way of persuading you to give it up for £1,000 with an additional £1,000 discount on the car of your dreams ;)

When I scrapped my 15 year old car, as well as the V5, MOT, Passport, recent utility bill and dog licence, they insisted on actually seeing the car before filling in the paperwork; I even cheekily asked them if they would offer me a better deal than the scrappage scheme.

Incidentally, the car (three careful owners) wasn't in particularly bad condition, the paintwork was scruffy and had suffered the usual car park dings, the interior was pretty dirty but there was no accident damage.

It did however have a tiresome and unpredictable habit of stalling at lights, when stopped at T junctions and on the entry to roundabouts; a fault which was not apparent on a superficial inspection and I had been told by my local friendly and consistently honest dealer could be fixed at a cost more than the value of the car.

Additionally, I had to have the FRONT subframe replaced at the last MOT and the tyres were old and worn.

Combined with the absence of any modern safety features, I was more than happy to replace it with a Hyundai i20 for a £2000+ discount; I really don't believe that my attitude is atypical of people other than dyed-in-the-wool car enthusiasts.
 
I know two people personally who have used Scrappage - both had old cars but the biggest thing wrong with any of them was faded bumpers. They didn't take advantage of the scheme because they found their cars unreliable or dangerous - they simply fancied 'treating themselves' to something new and scrappage offered what they felt was a 'good deal'. They are now happy owners of what I consider to be utterly awful new cars - but they are happy, and is great.

Their previous cars, however, are now scrap. They had many years useful life left in them.

I suspect this is far more typical than the picture you paint of people who have enough money for a brand new car yet were, until Scrappage, driving around in things falling to bits. Most of the people who could buy a new car would have replaced such a thing beforehand anyway.
 
Thanks for that thoroughly worthless post that missed the point. I'm quite happy to accept they liked the deal. I am discussing what happened with the car afterwards and pointing out the flawed argument that everything traded in under scrappage is a nail.

Some people seem to think people wouldnt change their cars unless they were broken. What a flawed assumption.

This, combined with the fact that car dealers are also happy is really all that matters....
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£1000 of public money..
 
[TW]Fox;14987171 said:
I am discussing what happened with the car afterwards and pointing out the flawed argument that everything traded in under scrappage is a nail.
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Who cares what happened to it? You're forgetting what the scrappage scheme's main aim is - which is to keep cash flowing through car dealers while credit has been frozen. Taking in old cars and scrapping them is, in general, icing on the cake (cleans up drive ways, rust buckets, replacing them with safer and less polluting cars (because lets face it, people taking up this offer won't be opting for larger engines)).

Sure, some perfectly usable cars get binned. Perhaps less people will die in car accidents as a result? Perhaps emissions will be brought down?


£1000 of public money..
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Drop in the water compared to the amounts locked up in banks, asset protections and quantitative easing.
 
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Hatter The Mad said:
Who cares what happened to it? You're forgetting what the scrappage scheme's main aim is - which is to keep cash flowing through car dealers while credit has been frozen.
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Who cares what the main aim is? You're showing a total disregard for the waste of perfectly good cars.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Who cares what happened to it? You're forgetting what the scrappage scheme's main aim is - which is to keep cash flowing through car dealers while credit has been frozen.
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I care what's happened to it, and so should you. If a perfectly usable, modern car has been destroyed, then this is only contributing to energy usage and pollution, and is also depriving someone of the use of that car which in many cases could be significantly better than their own.

People driving around in festering old wrecks are not usually doing so by choice, the 'scrappage' scheme is not useful to them whatsoever. What if the scheme was modified so that the better cars entered to the scrappage scheme were saved, and people with really knackered old crap could exchange their car for one of these better ones (possibly paying nominal handling/processing charge). You would then have someone driving around in a safer, and almost certainly less polluting car and you are removing some real crap from the roads.
 
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