Season Ticket suspended by club

For away tickets though, by you giving your mate tickets, other season ticket holders have missed out?

Number of season tickets > number of available away tickets.

If I was a season ticket holder who missed out on away tickets, I'd be reporting them as well.

Further checks seem to show that they have suspended 600 tickets on the basis of this game (about a quarter of tickets issued)

So seems like a massive problem if 1/4 of tickets are being used by non season ticket holders.
 
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For away tickets though, by you giving your mate tickets, other season ticket holders have missed out?

Number of season tickets > number of available away tickets.

If I was a season ticket holder who missed out on away tickets, I'd be reporting them as well.

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hardly a casual fan though, I don't think he has missed a game, home or away, for about 3 years
 
Why doesn't he have his own ticket then?

BEcause season ticket lists are often a decade + long, and not everyone can afford a season ticket. If i'd started going to Arsenal games 5 years ago and applied for the list then I'd still be 5 years from getting on the list, minimum.

I think I got on the list when I was, probably 17-18, and had to refuse the offer of a season ticket over summer :(
 
let me get this straight, waiting lists are 10 years long, surely this dictates demand > supply

therefore the price should be largely increased.

yeas i know people will complain but it is a business and the more money the club can generate is surely better for the club in the first place? especially with the financial fair play rules coming into play.

seems like clubs are missing out on piles of cash, for fear of some bad press, who cares, so long as revenue is maximised in order to benefit the club. surely supporters would understand that?
 
Rotty i feel for you. What an absolute sham. What a great way to shaft a fan of 23 years, Im a seaosn ticket holder of 6 years at stoke and my best mate who has always gotten a ST with me has attended 1 game all season! His ticket is at my house and i pass it on to who ever fancies it for free, He is living in Finland at the moment and cant attend.

I can understand them wanting to crack down on people buying Season tickets just to sell on but surely they have all your details logged and can see how many years you have been attending.

Honestly kick up a fuss in all the forums and fanzines dont let them take your ticket away.

Good luck
 
let me get this straight, waiting lists are 10 years long, surely this dictates demand > supply

therefore the price should be largely increased.

yeas i know people will complain but it is a business and the more money the club can generate is surely better for the club in the first place? especially with the financial fair play rules coming into play.

seems like clubs are missing out on piles of cash, for fear of some bad press, who cares, so long as revenue is maximised in order to benefit the club. surely supporters would understand that?

Demand AT AFFORDABLE TICKET PRICES is high, demand at dramatically higher prices would disappear.

Season ticket lists are also, misleading, I got on the Arsenal list at a time I couldn't even slightly afford it, but knew I wouldn't get an offer for a LONG time, when it did other circumstances meant I couldn't take it up.

I was guessing on the Liverpool season ticket length, Arsenal's is a tad odd because when you add a huge amount of capacity the list essentially had several years chopped off it.

Anyway, you are also assuming a 10 year long waiting list means a hugely long list. If not a single person gives up their ticket then a list with one person on it would still have one person on it. For Arsenal you might put the prices up 30%, see 80% of your fans give up their season tickets, and 95% of the people on the season ticket waiting list not take the option because its too expensive, and end up losing 10's of millions a year.

As always, you oversimplify things.... because footballers aren't very fit either.
 
well the fact that touts sell the tickets on for a lot higher than the price they pay for them would disagree with the whole statement you just made. ;)

therefore there is demand for even higher priced tickets.

increase the prices by 5% see what happens.

if everybody buys them, increase the next year by 5% see what happens.

rinse and repeat. if demand drops, drop prices by 5%

it really is that simple.
 
well the fact that touts sell the tickets on for a lot higher than the price they pay for them would disagree with the whole statement you just made. ;)

therefore there is demand for even higher priced tickets.

increase the prices by 5% see what happens.

if everybody buys them, increase the next year by 5% see what happens.

rinse and repeat. if demand drops, drop prices by 5%

it really is that simple.


No, again you completely oversimplified.

A ticket is worth, £50, someone pays £200 for one big match does NOT equate to them being able to afford even £1000 for a season ticket, let alone 19x£200.

People often pay extra for a ONE OFF experience, but CAN'T afford to pay that over and over or even a lower fee over and over.

It's as simple as £200 for one ticket, is still £800 LESS than the cost of an Arsenal season ticket, being able to afford one expensive ticket does in NO WAY at all mean you can automatically also afford a £1000 season ticket, and it most certainly doesn't mean they can also afford a £4000 season ticket.

What you're saying equates to, in non football terms, you go out for a one off meal on valentines day, in Paris, that costs £500 total...... this means you can afford and there is demand for someone to want to do this every weekend of the year. Your argument is entirely baseless and ignoring all logic. Just because you can afford a higher price once for ANYTHING doesn't mean you can afford to pay a fee several times higher for a larger quantity of the same thing.
 
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No, again you completely oversimplified.

A ticket is worth, £50, someone pays £200 for one big match does NOT equate to them being able to afford even £1000 for a season ticket, let alone 19x£200.

People often pay extra for a ONE OFF experience, but CAN'T afford to pay that over and over or even a lower fee over and over.

It's as simple as £200 for one ticket, is still £800 LESS than the cost of an Arsenal season ticket, being able to afford one expensive ticket does in NO WAY at all mean you can automatically also afford a £1000 season ticket, and it most certainly doesn't mean they can also afford a £4000 season ticket.

What you're saying equates to, in non football terms, you go out for a one off meal on valentines day, in Paris, that costs £500 total...... this means you can afford and there is demand for someone to want to do this every weekend of the year. Your argument is entirely baseless and ignoring all logic. Just because you can afford a higher price once for ANYTHING doesn't mean you can afford to pay a fee several times higher for a larger quantity of the same thing.

he just said his mate has never missed a match in 3 years and doesnt have a season ticket.

therefore it looks like someone can afford to pay tout prices and is willing to do so for every match.

again you missed what i said, i said a 5% increase, not 100%. ;)
 
Seems very harsh. I've issued to let mine out in the past when I had one and likewise, I have borrowed others. In fact, I have away tickets for Chelsea on the same grounds. Some guy bought them, couldn't then go.. With prices so high, there's really no alternative

Madness.
 
This is bad enough but when a ticket office is as badly run as at Liverpool and so many tickets seem to mysteriously find their way into the hands of touts it does leave you somewhat bewildered

The ticketing and Anfield is a joke. It's the worst I've seen. I was hoping the new owners would make things better but apparently not.

As for the new stadium. If they don't get it built soon I fear the farce over tickets will have put so many people off the horse will have bolted before the first brick is laid.

I bought tickets for a City game a few months back. They bent over backwards, even when I bough tickets for the wrong seats. Ringing Anfield is embarrassing.

I hope you get it sorted.
 
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it's pretty clear there is a demand (waiting list) which is greater than supply.

basic economics here, i personally cannot see why a 5% increase would not work.

enlighten us

Agreed, the clubs that sellout all their league games on a regular basis should be increasing their prices. Risk of alienating the 'core' supporters but in the modern game with players earning millions per year the prawn sandwich brigade should be aspired to. I also believe that should the worst happen and the club fall from grace, lets say get relegated, that cutting prices would probably get people back, it's not as though many fans will suddenly start supporting other clubs even if they were previously priced out of their season ticket.

Take Arsenal for example, much maligned 6% hike in season ticket prices, but attendances are still well in excess of 59.5k and nearly always above 60k. Realistically they should be putting them up again for next season and also the cost of one-off tickets given that the lower membership levels plus if necessary general sale nearly always sells out.

Back on topic, any update?
 
he just said his mate has never missed a match in 3 years and doesnt have a season ticket.

therefore it looks like someone can afford to pay tout prices and is willing to do so for every match.

again you missed what i said, i said a 5% increase, not 100%. ;)

Because again you're oversimplifying to make your argument.

You used the fact that TOUTS sell tickets a for a MUCH HIGHER price as PROOF that you could increase prices.

You have no idea what price his mate is paying for his tickets. As said the ability to pay £200 one off for a huge game you go to once a decade, isn't the same thing as being able to afford even £100 per game for a season ticket, nor does it mean you can afford to pay face value for 19 games a season.

His mate can, and he might well only be paying face value and not a penny more, and if the only tickets he could get were 15% higher he might not have gone half as much.

Every post you make is just massive assumption after assumption.

Read your actual post, firstly clubs do often increase prices by often up to 5% a year, but they usually only do it every few years. If you randomly up the price, screw half your customers then the other half won't pay and drop price to get the other half of tickets sold, you make more money and MASSIVE anger ALL the fans, do it again and you'll get massive protesting and all kinds of trouble, there is a very good reason clubs don't do exactly what you're saying, and thats because firstly it doesn't work and secondly, angering your entire fan base when your entire income is dependant on them is the stupidest possible thing you can do.

But again that is irrelevant, the FIRST line of what you quoted was completely and utterly incorrect, that is the only thing relevant, you used a baseless incorrect argument as reasoning that something else would work, doesn't matter if the second part is right, your assumption was incorrect and so was the argument.
 
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