Section 59
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No, which I'm sort of glad about as I was returning from the Denbigh moors. Until I get something sorted, the camera goes on a tripod in the passenger seat and I knew I was picking up a mate so didn't bother. More worrying, the tripod feet are leaving indentations in the seat, so it stayed at home.
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lol, so you could get another section 59 (again without a fine or points) and then you get your car halfhinched by the fuze?
What the jabessas
What the jabessas
Jealousy is a terrible thing, and this seems about right for our police forces who would rather chase traffic offences than actually go and solve some proper crime involving proper criminals who are a danger to the public.
I just pity them, it's a pathetic existence.
I just pity them, it's a pathetic existence.
Sounds like it was a traffic policeman, so it's actually their job to chase traffic offences
I hate the phrase "solve some proper crime". Traffic offences are crimes and people loose their lives in some instances of this. While I don't agree with the mobile speed cameras etc, that above phrase is such a weak argument.
His collar number and name is on the warning notice. He wasn't overly rude or nasty until I asked about appealing, which obviously indicates I thought he was way off base.
The seizure thing is what I don't like, as mentioned, hanging over my head. What is to stop a copper from say, ignoring my speed and interpreting the speed as "careless" or "inconsiderate"? Because once that happens, I have the inconvenience of having to have to make my way home, then go and pick the car up.
The more I read about this Section 59, the more it seems aimed at mini-moto riders on footpaths and late night McDonalds attendees.
Sounds like it was a traffic policeman, so it's actually their job to chase traffic offences
I hate the phrase "solve some proper crime". Traffic offences are crimes and people loose their lives in some instances of this. While I don't agree with the mobile speed cameras etc, that above phrase is such a weak argument.
They do but how is a safe overtake a crime?
They should be getting these horrible little ricers off the streets. The ones who speed around in their tiny little cars that barely scrape an MOT certificate, and end up ploughing into others when showing off to the local tarts.
No, instead someone like Fett gets stopped for a safe maneuver, and threatened when he questions if it was warranted or not.
Seems pretty similar to these "anti-terror" laws to me. The police can stop, question, arrest, and detain anybody they fancy, no matter what they're doing, if they do much as suspect them of an offence.
So that means if you have a nice car, they can do it out of jealousy and spite. Or if they don't like how you look. Of if the wind is blowing in a SE-direction at 9mph. The list goes on.
Good in practice, but there are too many police who don't do their job properly for a rule like this.
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On my warning:
Select as appropriate: You are/have been driving in a (a) careless (b) Inconsiderate manner contrary to section 3 etc
Or
You have been driving on Common Land (etc)
Then add in either case:
In a manner in which:
Is causing
Has been causing
is likely to cause
alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public etc
If you'd have been in a GT3 he'd of given you points and added attitude
I dunno, the whole "causing alarm to the public" thing makes me think he has some pork in his garage
To be fair, how do you know it was a safe maneuver? You are relying on someones account of the incident, police don't pull people over for nothing whatsoever. Not saying Fett is lying, but the policeman must have thought there was something in it.
Accusing him of being jealous is ridiculous really.
He stated twice when I asked that the overtake was safe. He would not (or could not) expand on how the overtake was alarming, careless, distressing etc.
He made two comments about general wealth as well, one of them being that the reclaim fee would not make a difference to me but it certainly does to others.
I'm almost always on the side of the police, even if I'm in the wrong. I really think he was having a bad day.
It does happen, actually. Mostly just boredom, but the police do pull people over for no reason.
And it's not ridiculous, in fact i'd say it's the most likely explanation.
I dunno, the whole "causing alarm to the public" thing makes me think he has some pork in his garage
True, he probably asks him....I mean it, to squeal too.
That's what would annoy me the most. He is prepared to give you a warning, or even take it further but won't tell you exactly what you have done wrong. Surely if you were to challenge that warning it would end up in court with him standing up and giving evidence under oath.
It would annoy me, surely he should be having a word with the coach for driving so slowly
Couldn't disagree more. I have never been pulled over for no reason and I can't imagine a policeman would pull someone over due to jealousy
Couldn't disagree more. I have never been pulled over for no reason and I can't imagine a policeman would pull someone over due to jealousy
I could.
Section 59 is pretty much a motoring ASBO and IIRC if they catch you again they can take the car off you. They use it on the local chavs round here but none of them pay attention to the threat and nothing comes of it.
I have been pulled over many times for no reason, usually at about 2am when I used to drive/ride back from my girlfriends. Those were pure boredom and the guys were really sound. They can cover most stopes with an ANPR/Insurance check these days.
I once had two plain c;othes officers chase me into a supermarket car park, block me in then proceed to take my keys out, poke fingers in my face and chest and make no sense whatsoever. After just staring blankly at them as they marched round my car I asked them to stop speaking pig and tell me what the hell they were doing and aparently I wheel spun at speed then went sideways round a roundabout. I was in a Mk1 Punto 60S... I had tried to get into a space and being a fresh driver It wasn't happening. I was facing downhill on a wet road and as I pulled off the tyres must have slipped about an inch and made a quiet noise but I just happened to be outside the Police station. They just go in their unmarked fiesta and buggered off.
Lesson from this is: You may have underestimated the space in which you could anticipate traffic, therefore may scare people coming the other way after they have come round a bonet or over a crest which was in the distance at the time. Stupid thinking from a policemans point of view, but valid I suppose. The real lesson of course, remember the reg of the Volvo
I have been pulled over many times for no reason, usually at about 2am when I used to drive/ride back from my girlfriends. Those were pure boredom and the guys were really sound. They can cover most stopes with an ANPR/Insurance check these days.
I once had two plain c;othes officers chase me into a supermarket car park, block me in then proceed to take my keys out, poke fingers in my face and chest and make no sense whatsoever. After just staring blankly at them as they marched round my car I asked them to stop speaking pig and tell me what the hell they were doing and aparently I wheel spun at speed then went sideways round a roundabout. I was in a Mk1 Punto 60S... I had tried to get into a space and being a fresh driver It wasn't happening. I was facing downhill on a wet road and as I pulled off the tyres must have slipped about an inch and made a quiet noise but I just happened to be outside the Police station. They just go in their unmarked fiesta and buggered off.
Lesson from this is: You may have underestimated the space in which you could anticipate traffic, therefore may scare people coming the other way after they have come round a bonet or over a crest which was in the distance at the time. Stupid thinking from a policemans point of view, but valid I suppose. The real lesson of course, remember the reg of the Volvo
Unlucky, down here on the south coast they are handing them out like confetti. I think I'm the only Skyline owner not to have recieved one yet (touch wood) but its just a matter of time.
If you do get another one, you can make them jump through hoops all day and night long if you are so inclined. Insist on a low loader, and they have to remain in attendance for it to arrive (which can take a while) and if you have any damage at all that you would like them to repair free of charge (paint chips, parking dings etc), make sure you point it out when you pick it up the next day, they don't check the cars over properly and you can say that it happened while in their posession and there is nothing they can do to refute it. Hopefully by making them waste huge amounts of their time and money they will give up on enforcing this "law".
If you do get another one, you can make them jump through hoops all day and night long if you are so inclined. Insist on a low loader, and they have to remain in attendance for it to arrive (which can take a while) and if you have any damage at all that you would like them to repair free of charge (paint chips, parking dings etc), make sure you point it out when you pick it up the next day, they don't check the cars over properly and you can say that it happened while in their posession and there is nothing they can do to refute it. Hopefully by making them waste huge amounts of their time and money they will give up on enforcing this "law".
Which sort of begs the question why would he not explain what the actual issue was?
All I had was a vague explanation that other road users *may* have become upset/surprised and thus it was warranted in his eyes.
Hindsight is always 20/20, I should have pushed him further on the explanation but he didn't seem to be kidding around about moving it up a notch and seizing the car for God knows what, hassle I could without frankly on a Sunday.