Seemingly major problem at work...

I shall do, if they ever bother telling me...

I still don't see how they can suspend me without telling me why, or without giving me a chance to appeal against the suspension though :(
You can certainly ask them to tell you, or tell them that you will contact an employment lawyer as they are in breach of certain employment laws.
 
Indeed. A mate of mine said her niece and her followers actively try to provoke teachers, sexually and otherwise presumably.

This is the reason we need to cut out these stupid utter nonsense procedures, because the more complex they become the more they treat people as guilty till proven innocent, the more the whole system can be massively abused by people who want a pay out.

For the past two decades we've mocked America for being an overly letigious society happy to screw over anyone in the persuit of getting some cash for doing nothing. The whole time I just though every time I heard it, they are simply 5-10years ahead of where we are, and we're going in exactly the same direction.

Do we all want to work in a country that every single mistake you ever make means weeks of stress, investigations, losing jobs. Banter being unacceptable incase anyone finds anything you say offensive. It's becoming a joke.

Hell, we're at the point where someone could pay a student a £100 to make an accusation, so a teacher can get 2 weeks paid leave, because its so automatic and simple with no common sense involved in the whole thing.
 
If it turns out your innocent, and they havent followed the correct proceedures in employment law, take them to the cleaners.

Harsh, it's a school, just because one kid may or may not have made something up shouldn't mean the whole school should suffer financially, I'm sure it's nothing personal to the OP, just one of those things that you try and forget after it's happened
 
Just to update, you're probably being suspended on a Gross Misconduct Enquiry.

You can be suspended at any time on this, naturally, but you still have rights. Basically - you can be suspended whilst your employer investigates allegations against the employee (of gross misconduct). This type of suspension is always with full pay, which is why I suspect it's that.

They have to inform you as to the reasons of suspension - but not disclose any further information (eg if a complaint of abuse has been made, who made the complaint).

I would contact the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service, and soon if I were you.
 
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Right,

My mates the HR director within GM, and he said its illegal to suspend someone without them knowning the reason for suspension, BUT he has said that it must be a really serious allegation dude...

He said you are entitled to call the School and press the matter home that you want to know why you are suspended without being told the reason and stay on the line untill someone has told you...

Stelly

At the actual suspension you can relieve someone of their duties without disclosing the detail. Its a neutral act, initial fact finding needs to take place so management can ascertain the surface of the allegations.

It isnt illegal, you can invite someone to an investigatory without disclosing the nature of the allegations, best practice suggests you do disclose them unless there is a sound business reason for not doing so. For instance it compromises the investigatory findings.
 
This is the reason we need to cut out these stupid utter nonsense procedures, because the more complex they become the more they treat people as guilty till proven innocent, the more the whole system can be massively abused by people who want a pay out.

We have these procedures in place to safeguard our children, they are necessary, if you have not done anything wrong then what is there to worry about.

For the past two decades we've mocked America for being an overly letigious society happy to screw over anyone in the persuit of getting some cash for doing nothing. The whole time I just though every time I heard it, they are simply 5-10years ahead of where we are, and we're going in exactly the same direction.

Do we all want to work in a country that every single mistake you ever make means weeks of stress, investigations, losing jobs. Banter being unacceptable incase anyone finds anything you say offensive. It's becoming a joke.

I agree with that there can be too much red tape, but remember Local Aithoriitys are operating in the aftermath of the baby P case, they are under more intense scruitany now than ever before, and are pressurised to ensure that they have robust processes in place to manage these situations.

It must be hard for those that are wrongly accused and strategies need to be put in place to support any person who has to go through something like this imo.

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We have these procedures in place to safeguard our children, they are necessary, if you have not done anything wrong then what is there to worry about.
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If you believe that, you are (a) spectacularly ignorant and (b) dangerous.

Although I have trouble believing that anyone could wilfully make themselves so mind-bogglingly ignorant that they could believe such a ludicrously untrue thing. That makes me feel that you're lying. Intellectually, I know that many people are that determinedly ignorant, but I don't understand how anyone can be.

If I was a benevolent dictator, I would give serious consideration to imprisoning you for the good of society. Or simply because you disgust me - you're using, or rather abusing, children as a political tool to lever in presumption of guilt, denial of any legal defence, punishment without trial, etc, etc. Which is obviously so utterly harmless, oh yes indeed. Nothing to worry about. You're also using all this as a threat to suppress dissent - according to you, anyone who objects to all of that for any reason is guilty (of abusing children). That is the logical conclusion of "nothing to worry about if you're innocent" argument and it is one of the purposes of it. If no-one has anything to worry about if they're innocent, then anyone who is worried is guilty. So you must believe that anyone who is worried about any aspect of any of this sort of this is a child abuser. Either that or you don't believe the "nothing to worry about if you're innocent" thing at all and you're lying in order to use it as a tool.
 
You don't pass or fail a CRB, the details are discolsed and based on them your employer makes a decission, I can think of one individual in the care industry who as a young adult made a mistake that comes back on each of her CRB checks, all that's required is that any client she is contracted to work/temp for is notified of the result and given the choice of employing her, it's never been an issue as she's always been up front about it.
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If a CRB check returns mention of sexual abuse of children, especially if the person is a man,it's rather likely that a potential employer isn't going to look into the details. So it wouldn't matter if the "child" in question wasn't actually a child (they could be 17) and/or if there was no evidence at all supporting the allegation. Guilt will usually be presumed and even when it isn't employers will often play it safe - if they employ someone who is guilty and does it again, then it will look very bad for the employer who hired them despite the CRB check "proving" that they were "guilty". SCHOOL HIRED KNOWN ABUSER! headlines would appear.
 
At the actual suspension you can relieve someone of their duties without disclosing the detail. Its a neutral act, initial fact finding needs to take place so management can ascertain the surface of the allegations.

It isnt illegal, you can invite someone to an investigatory without disclosing the nature of the allegations, best practice suggests you do disclose them unless there is a sound business reason for not doing so. For instance it compromises the investigatory findings.

well I slouch correct young sir :p

Stelly
 
It's not impossible, just highly unlikely but...it COULD be a surprise birthday party for you and they need you to not be there while they shift in all the props so you don't see :)

I think positive at all times :)
 
I have also been involved in allegations against staff by pupils, it's not pretty at all, even if it's found unproven, it stays on a record, and when asking for another crb check it will show up.
I really struggle to believe this. A CRB check is what it says on the tin, a Criminal Records Bureau, if the allegation leads to a mark on your criminal record then it will show up. The only other things that are considered are
the Department of Health list of those unsuitable to work with children and the list held by the Department for Skills and Education of those who are deemed unsuitable to work in the teaching profession
Both of which would usually be as a result of a conviction.
So why would an unfounded, disproved allegation ever show up on your CRB disclosure?
 
I really struggle to believe this. A CRB check is what it says on the tin, a Criminal Records Bureau, if the allegation leads to a mark on your criminal record then it will show up. The only other things that are considered are
CRB Enhanced; "Enhanced checks contain the same information as Standard checks but with the addition of a check of the new barred lists if requested and any locally held police force information considered relevant to the job role, by Chief Police Officer(s)." so it includes so called "soft intelligence" like allegations which were investigated but didn't lead to anything.
 
CRB Enhanced; "Enhanced checks contain the same information as Standard checks but with the addition of a check of the new barred lists if requested and any locally held police force information considered relevant to the job role, by Chief Police Officer(s)." so it includes so called "soft intelligence" like allegations which were investigated but didn't lead to anything.
if it reaches a police investigation, which it only would if the internal investigation supported the allegation.
 
Have they told you what the problem is yet?

Nope, still haven't heard from them :(

It's not impossible, just highly unlikely but...it COULD be a surprise birthday party for you and they need you to not be there while they shift in all the props so you don't see :)

I think positive at all times :)

I do like your thinking, but my birthday was last month :p
 
If you believe that, you are (a) spectacularly ignorant and (b) dangerous.

Although I have trouble believing that anyone could wilfully make themselves so mind-bogglingly ignorant that they could believe such a ludicrously untrue thing. That makes me feel that you're lying. Intellectually, I know that many people are that determinedly ignorant, but I don't understand how anyone can be.

If I was a benevolent dictator, I would give serious consideration to imprisoning you for the good of society. Or simply because you disgust me - you're using, or rather abusing, children as a political tool to lever in presumption of guilt, denial of any legal defence, punishment without trial, etc, etc. Which is obviously so utterly harmless, oh yes indeed. Nothing to worry about. You're also using all this as a threat to suppress dissent - according to you, anyone who objects to all of that for any reason is guilty (of abusing children). That is the logical conclusion of "nothing to worry about if you're innocent" argument and it is one of the purposes of it. If no-one has anything to worry about if they're innocent, then anyone who is worried is guilty. So you must believe that anyone who is worried about any aspect of any of this sort of this is a child abuser. Either that or you don't believe the "nothing to worry about if you're innocent" thing at all and you're lying in order to use it as a tool.

I am wondering where all that come from! There is an investigation - no charges - no guilty until proven innocent - no denial of legal defence - no using children as a political tool - an investigation to decide if anything/something is/has going on. So why the hostility?
 
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