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These guys sound like professionals because from what the letter explained, they take the windows off then climb through
self-defence weapon or not?
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These guys sound like professionals because from what the letter explained, they take the windows off then climb through
Could do, but I imagine using a knife is easier and quicker, especially if you have to pull it out of one guy and kill another in seconds.
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Anyone remember Tony Martin?
It's illegal to do anything more than ask them to put it back and please go away is the result of that from what i've heard.
Extreme case maybe but a very good example of what we can REALLY do....Anything you do to protect your property is pre-meditated and therefore opens you up to prosection if it goes wrong for them and good for you....
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in my flat this would defiantly be a no no because I live on the bottom floor, my living room and kitchen are in the same room so if the robber came through the window he would have first hand to one of my cooking knifes.
Anyone remember Tony Martin?
It's illegal to do anything more than ask them to put it back and please go away is the result of that from what i've heard.
Anything you do to protect your property is pre-meditated and therefore opens you up to prosection if it goes wrong for them and good for you....
Fair enough, that is the law of the land, and I think it sucks. Although attacking someone while they are trying to leave I do not condone.
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House alarms are very reasonable now days. I'm all for defending myself and my family in my own home, but preparing for anything ith weapons shouldn't be the way forward.
If it happens when you're not in, great to be honest. If you're in, an alarm will alert you and the rest of the world. No one in their right mind would hang around with an alarm ringing in their ears.
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Anyone remember Tony Martin?
It's illegal to do anything more than ask them to put it back and please go away is the result of that from what i've heard.
Anything you do to protect your property is pre-meditated and therefore opens you up to prosection if it goes wrong for them and good for you....
The difference with tony martin was he shot them in the back as they were leaving......not exactly self defence.
Lol, how can people still be sing tony Martin of an example on why the law sucks.
You have huge amounts of rights. You only have to feel threatened to use force. What you can't do, is when you are no longer threatened use force. Tony Martin, shot the kid in the back as he was running away. No threat, so totally illegal.
You have huge amounts of rights. You only have to feel threatened to use force. What you can't do, is when you are no longer threatened use force. Tony Martin, shot the kid in the back as he was running away. No threat, so totally illegal.
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Do you think i can get in touch with my landlord and come to some agreement for in side security like cameras and alarm systems?
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he was still there illegally. deserved wounding maybe but not killing i agree. as said - extreme case which brought what we can and can't do in the open.
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So by implication you'd promote unreasonable force as a suitable measure? Any views on proportionality?
It doesn't work both ways - if you wish to have the protection of the law then you have to abide by the rules that society has dictated and it will protect you as well as it is able to, if you wish to take matters into your own hands then don't express surprise if the judicial system doesn't take kindly to it.
In answer to the original question: if you end up in an altercation with an intruder then the law will make certain allowances based on reasonableness and proportionality but preparing a weapon suggests a degree of premeditation that is difficult to explain away when compared to using an object you may happen to have nearby as a weapon. That someone should break into your home isn't something we should be excusing but nor is it a great plan to try and enact your own vengeance on them - it's compounding a bad situation as it were, not to mention that it's quite possible your weapon (impromptu or otherwise) might well do as much damage to you as to anyone else.
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At the end of the day, if someone breaks into your house and threatens you and/or youre family, you will defend them with what ever you can. If they leave quickly, leave them go.
IMO the op should invest in some security kit. 2-300 can get some decent kit.
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invasion of privacy laws and human rights come into effect with that idea so probably not for fear of prosecution for the land lord. unsure what the current laws are if they've been updated so check on net.
So someone has come to my house with the intent to steal my property etc, and I can not give them a good hiding, which I don't think is unfair. I think that is ridiculous, I see what your saying and I respect the law, but if I give a burgular what for, then the law is against me for defending my property, that is ludicrous. I don't condone attacking an intruder if they are genuinely trying to leave, but otherwise, I would condone 'unreasonable force'.
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Exactly, but keeping a weapon specifically for this is too far. Different if you do genuinely pick up a vase and accidently kill them with it.
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