Self defence

You said you failed at handling the situation, doesn't seem like it.

Use force only if you're certain you'll win. This is why unexpected kicks to balls are useful.

As for the 'fine' and charge. Contest it, take it to court and prove you were acting in self defence. Which means you walk away asap from the fight. If you're brawling on the street, well you are breaking the law. There is a difference.

You can't be too passive though. Otherwise you gonna get raped.
 
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As has been said its what a lot of people do when there drunk. Way to fix it? Ban drinking! Would solve a lot more problems then it creates.
 
Blinkz said:
As has been said its what a lot of people do when there drunk. Way to fix it? Ban drinking! Would solve a lot more problems then it creates.
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I'm tending to agree lately. Or a (completely unworkable) per person limit.

There was a alcohol-fuelled mass brawl behind my flat last night at 4am.
 
I still find it quite shocking that a drug like alcohol is legal, it is the cause of so much pain, law breaking and generally bad stuff. Personally I can't really the benefits of it. Surely people are able to enjoy themselves without it? If not then that says something pretty bad about society...
 
Blinkz said:
I still find it quite shocking that a drug like alcohol is legal, it is the cause of so much pain, law breaking and generally bad stuff. Personally I can't really the benefits of it. Surely people are able to enjoy themselves without it? If not then that says something pretty bad about society...
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Somewhat blinkered viewpoint. I regularly enjoy one or two drinks. It's not about having fun without it, it's about having different types of fun. Socially enjoying a drink or two after work on Friday is brilliant. Sitting watching a film with a glass of wine or Scotch is great.

Also, prohibition = bad. The Noble Experiment showed us that. Just forced it underground, speakeasys, and really, really contribute to crime.
 
PwnDirect said:
So this got me thinking what on earth can you do?
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don't hang round with them....

the guy is starting on your mate - just move away from them - you sent your mate inside the bar but you stayed outside talking to the aggressors group of mates?????????? why not just go inside with your mate???

then your mate comes back out of the bar (not surprising since you've ditched him and stayed outside) and this aggressive bloke has a go again

then when you're walking away and you tell your mate to run he manages to get away from them but you decided it was best to not stick with your mate but walk along normally - prompting yet another encounter with the aggressive drunk person....


lessons to be learned - don't try to reason with aggressive drunk people who want to fight - either do something physical about them or move away from them and most importantly - stick with your mates - you left him alone twice and left yourself with the drunken idiot......
 
I just find it strange how it is such a socially accepted drug. Smoking, pretty much all other recreational drugs have been deemed to a greater or lesser extent to be socially unacceptable. Yet Alcohol it is generally classed as the backbone of society and if you don't drink then you are socially unacceptable haha Strange how the world works.
 
You won't ever reason with these clowns. Walk away and say absolutely nothing.
If they follow you, get ready to deliver that one, single, debilitating move you've been practising :p
 
Don’t hang around my mates? Or don’t hang around random people who approach me & start being aggressive?
Also dowie did you even read my posts
dowie said:
the guy is starting on your mate - just move away from them - you sent your mate inside the bar but you stayed outside talking to the aggressors group of mates?????????? why not just go inside with your mate???
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PwnDirect said:
Mean while my friends attempt to reason with aren’t going to well so in order to alleviate the situation I tell him to go inside when he tries to this guys grabs him so I pull them apart & my friend proceeds inside. now as this was right in front of the bouncers they believe me to be with the aggressor at first & wont let me back in so I clear of for a smoke until this guys gets bored and leaves 15minutes later he still there ranting at the bouncers demanding they let him in.
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dowie said:
then when you're walking away and you tell your mate to run he manages to get away from them but you decided it was best to not stick with your mate but walk along normally
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dowie said:
try to reason with aggressive drunk people who want to fight
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PwnDirect said:
He can’t run that fast so had to stall them & I know better than to try to reason with drunks he was the one trying & failing at that.
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dowie said:
do something physical about them
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The whole point behide this tread is to point out the farcical system that is in place which does not give me the right to defend myself!
Without huge legal repercussions, for me this matters for them it doesn’t. My hands were tied & so is every other person who tries to defend themselves.

Personally I would rather beat the crap out if them get put in the cells for a night and get a written caution. This is what would have happened a few years ago.

Instead I get fines and treats of criminal record unless I go through a long & expensive legal process.
 
No you're completely within your rights to defend yourself and you're in a much better position to do this if there is CCTV all over the place. Your original post is badly written and I was responding to that rather than reading down the whole thread however it isn't clear that you couldn't go back inside after you'd gone off for a smoke.
I still don't see the logic of letting your mate go off by himself - just stick with your mate next time IMO even if they had caught up with you (which you can't be sure of) then at least there would be two of you.
 
I'm a martial arts instructor so I have to be quite careful with how I deal with this type of situation as I need to maintain a clean criminal record in order to pass my CRB check to be allowed to teach kids.

I'd never throw the first punch in situation where somebody was mouthing off, the clubs I go to also have very good security staff with lots of CCTV so fights are quickly spotted and dealt with. If you can stall them for enough time then usually the security will come and sort them out without any violence occuring.

A lot of people have said there's no point in reasoning with drunk people as they won't listen - I'd say that's partly true, but there are also the louts who are susceptible to a calm word to diffuse the situation. That is always my first port of call in any argument / start of a fight, very simply and very directly tell them that you're not here to fight and lets just get on with our night out.

However if I did think that somebody was going to really try to do me some damage then the moment they began to get physical I'd try to end the fight there and then as quickly as possible before it even started - the key thing being to only react AFTER they've shown the first sign of getting physical and to stop as soon as they aren't a direct threat (i.e. when they're out of your personal space). That way if CCTV tapes are reviewed you're quite within your rights to say that you tried to talk your way out of the situation but when they became physically aggressive towards you and you feared for your personal safety so did what you had to to prevent them from getting more violent and you didn't carry on with your attack with the intention of causing them physical harm.

All of that said, I can't remember the last time I was directly involved in a fight on a night out - I'm the one who always ends up breaking them up or diffusing them for my less controlled drunken friends!

In a mugging however I'd go in as hard and aggressive as possible and answer for my actions later. But that's another story.
 
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In situations like this I would do what Jim Carrey would do. Scream loudly like a girl after the first impact, then preclude the imminent beating by beating myself up first.

They'll think your crazy, will probably leave you alone.

And I'm being serious when someone is acting like that, they are expecting one of two responses, aggression or submission, give them neither. Do something off the wall, totally crazy, they will go "what the...?", as soon as they do, their aggresion will have lessened if not gone altogether.
 
dowie I couldn’t go back inside due to the aggessor still being at the door & if I had tried to renter the club he most likely would have started mouthing off & the bouncers would have denied my rentery again.

I was intending to go back in but was waiting for the aggressor to move off sadly my friend removed this choice.

Some good points MrSix

But the fact remains as soon as you throw that punch or restrain your attackers you’re forced into court which good knows how long it would take & cost.
 
PwnDirect said:
Some good points MrSix

But the fact remains as soon as you throw that punch or restrain your attackers you’re forced into court which good knows how long it would take & cost.
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Not always - most of the time the bouncers will get involved then for sure and they don't like the bad press from having police involved so will normally eject the rowdy(er) individual and it goes no further. It's only if you're out on the street and caught by police / city CCTV that you run the risk of court.
 
Trying to reason with someone that's drunk is like trying to manhandle a cow into an elevator, it's just not going to happen. I learnt that the hard way when I got threatened for trying to confiscate some alcohol that they'd brought themselves (I work at an events venue)...

Just ignore, ignore, ignore, move away, move away, move away. You're not dealing with a rational being, when you're dealing with a drunk person. Part of the reason that I've only been drunk once and that was nearly five years ago. :p
 
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The police treat both parties equally and issue Section 5 public order offences aka £80 fine(am told I can charge them with assault & we spend a night in the cells & then take them to court, but this is of coarse unreasonable beside an £80 fine) & were told if this happens again then we face criminal records as a student soon to be seeking employment that’s the last thing I want.
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Er, why would you spend the night in cells if you were charging them with assault? If there was clearly one guilty party, as you are saying, then that wouldnt happen at all. If you were being a drunken self righteous knob, which you probably were by the sounds of it, then I could understan it happening.

I love it when people describe drunken arguments. They were always being so very reasonable.
 
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i doubt pills were involved in this as they make you want to love everyone and be friends with people. More likely a mixture of cocaine and alcohol
 
scorchisio said:
i doubt pills were involved in this as they make you want to love everyone and be friends with people. More likely a mixture of cocaine and alcohol
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If theyre very good, or you havn't done them very much.. Otherwise thats a load of crap. While coke is more likely to make people aggressive, absolutely no reason people cant fight on pills - Seen it happen enough times.
 
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