Send them back

[Oakesy2001uk]

You mean an arguement like we have issues that needs sorting amongst ourselves FIRST (then after that we can blame the usual suspects?)

It will never bo sorted though will it, it will always be like this, there will always be idiots, in every country, of every race.

Thats a big problem with the govt, people are not machines, they can be influenced, but at the end of the day we will always do what we want to do. Some people want to do good things, and some people want to be ****'s no-one or nothing will change that, and race has no bearing on it, every country/race has them.

 

[ElRazur]

snip.

Im saying sort lets out our own house first then tackle other problems that we seem to blame on immigrants. Is that hard to understand....Jeez, im the one with english as a second language you know..

 

[Cuchulain]

When me and my (American) wife had to go to the Home Office to apply for her permanent UK visa a few years back, I had to prove that I could support her finacially should she have difficulty finding work. That's something I wholeheartedly agree with, and it was just a simple matter of me providing past payslips and letters from myself and my company.

We're now in the middle of the US immigration process (for me of course), and she has to do much the same thing. She, and her family in our particular case, have to make sworn affidavits that they will support me finacially if I have no work.

That's exactly how it should be imho.

I think the main problem is with Asylum seekers who just "get in" on the basis that they're being persecuted (or something) in their own country, but like I said, they should be forced back to their nearest safe country.

 

[daveyj27]

Jeez, im the one with english as a second language you know..

And you are proving that.

What Wordy has posted is crystal clear imho, and makes perfect sense. He's not blaming everything on immigrants, or saying that British people commit no crimes at all.

All crimes should be dealt with irregardless of which demographic commited them.

 

[ElRazur]

The US immigration policy is one I agree with too, it might be a convoluted and difficult process but it's definately one that works and I can't see why something like that is not instigated in the UK.

I agree man, i mean how does the UK government expect people to feel when it appears that migrant are somehow favoured over those we work hard and whot not over benefits, housing, healthcare...Just read some of the post in here to give you a feel. The earlier we get our house in order the easier it would be to tackle things like immigrartion.

 

[daveyj27]

The earlier we get our house in order the easier it would be to tackle things like immigrartion.

But what if it's an immigrant who commits crime x? Do we have to deal with the native Brit who commited crime y first?

 

[ElRazur]

And you are proving that.

What Wordy has posted is crystal clear imho, and makes perfect sense. He's not blaming everything on immigrants, or saying that British people commit no crimes at all.

All crimes should be dealt with irregardless of which demographic commited them.

His first paragraph dont imo reflect what i have been saying period.

Yes all crimes should be dealt with - that's why there is the law.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Do we really need another thread concerning racial attacks?

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I like your sig image

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[ElRazur]

But what if it's an immigrant who commits crime x? Do we have to deal with the native Brit who commited crime y first?

Again i never said that. (see my previous post before this one). The system is not exactly working how we would all like to see it right? Say for example How come it would appear that hard-working people are somehow second choice and immigrants first choice? The system need a few tweaks here and there e.g benefit to foriegners etc. Anyhow to answer your question - punish those who break the law simple.

 

[wordy]

Im saying sort lets out our own house first then tackle other problems that we seem to blame on immigrants. Is that hard to understand....Jeez, im the one with english as a second language you know..

Well acutally when you're trying to get that message across in relation to a racially motived crime is Scotland and the posts you have been making I'm not the only one who isn't getting you....Jeez

So go on then what issues should we sort out in our own house 1st then?

Crime? - committed by both natives AND immigrants

Racism? - committed by both natives AND immgirants

Benefit scroungers/fraud? - committed by both natives AND immigrants

I'd say the best thing to do would be to tackle it at the same time. Maybe thats just me.

 

[dirtydog]

Daily mail...ok no drama!

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...g+of+armed+robbers+jailed+for+life/article.do
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2452227,00.html

If you have a problem with a racial attack on a white person not being called so, whose fault is it? Definitely not the ethnic minority. Use your vote, speak to your local MP....after all this is a democratic society.

I care more about the attacks than what we call them. I don't think my vote will change anything or my MP could do anything

And yes send them back, those who are illegal or immigrants here and do such things or break certain laws.

I do think we should deport any immigrant who commits a serious crime, no ifs or buts. If they face danger or death in the country we deport them to - too bad.

I see from the Times article that the judge has ordered that they must be deported after they have served their sentences

 

[ElRazur]

Well acutally when you're trying to get that message across in relation to a racially motived crime is Scotland and the posts you have been making I'm not the only one who isn't getting you....Jeez

So go on then what issues should we sort out in our own house 1st then?

Crime? - committed by both natives AND immigrants

Racism? - committed by both natives AND immgirants

Benefit scroungers/fraud? - committed by both natives AND immigrants

I'd say the best thing to do would be to tackle it at the same time. Maybe thats just me.

I dont know about you but quite a few people see what am saying and tend to agree with me....

I dont make the rules and am not a MP but one thing is clear our house needs sorting or dont you think?

 

[Arcade Fire]

Spare a thought for poor Kriss Donald and his family. Racism in the UK is far worse among ethnics than whites.

Do you have something to back up that rather sweeping statement, or are you merely hoping that if you say it enough then people will start to believe it?

What happened to Kriss Donald was shocking and disgusting, but at the same time, it happened over two years ago and the attackers have been caught and sentenced. Other crimes have happened since then, and many will have been similarly shocking. I don't think that pulling the case out as a trump card every time someone mentions racism is entirely warranted.

 

[ElRazur]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...g+of+armed+robbers+jailed+for+life/article.do
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2452227,00.html


I care more about the attacks than what we call them. I don't think my vote will change anything or my MP could do anything

Exactly! Now that you mention it. Why is the attacks happening? This is part of what i think is the in-house problem that needs sorting. Racial attacks seem to be on the increase (or is this due to more media focus?)...whichever way you and i will see agree that we would rather see less occurence of it.

... I do think we should deport any immigrant who commits a serious crime, no ifs or buts. If they face danger or death in the country we deport them to - too bad.

Good doggy, here is a cookie. Seriously i whole-heartedly agree with you.

I see from the Times article that the judge has ordered that they must be deported after they have served their sentences

I dont think a judge can ORDER the deportation of a criminal after their sentence but reccommend them for deportation...my understanding anyway.

 

[dirtydog]

Good doggy, here is a cookie. Seriously i whole-heartedly agree with you.

If I had my way, we would deport ANYone who commits violent crime like that, even UK-born citizens. Of course that is impossible, but I don't want people like that in my country whatever their race or place of birth.

I dont think a judge can ORDER the deportation of a criminal after their sentence but reccommend them for deportation...my understanding anyway.

You could be right but the Times does say this...

Judge Witold Pawlak ordered the men, from Jamaica, Portugal and Rwanda and a fourth gang member who received a lesser sentence, to be deported from Britain or expelled when they had served their sentences.

 

[wordy]

I dont know about you but quite a few people see what am saying and tend to agree with me....

This arguement isn't going anywhere. you said.....

Im saying sort lets out our own house first then tackle other problems that we seem to blame on immigrants.

Which I took to mean lets sort out crime/etc committed by the native population, then tackle problems with immigrants.

Fair enough if we concentrate on tackling crime before immplementing a robust immigration policy then foriegn criminals will continue to come to this country and crime will never go away.

It will be like trying to bail water out of a sinking ship, without plugging the leak. more will just keep coming in.

Lets tackle both at the same time

I dont make the rules and am not a MP but one thing is clear our house needs sorting or dont you think?

I agree, we do have some pretty stupid rules, regarding both crime and immigration, and we should tackle them both at the same time. because some imigrants do contribute to domestic problems

 

[Spie]

Do you have something to back up that rather sweeping statement, or are you merely hoping that if you say it enough then people will start to believe it?.

Watch your tone.

I'm basing it on my personal experience and the asians and blacks that I know. Anyone who knows more than a few people from these groups will confirm it so.

 

[B&W]

Spare a thought for poor Kriss Donald and his family. Racism in the UK is far worse among ethnics than whites.

true amongst asians, most of us admit it aswell not proudly tho.

 

[cleanbluesky]

I'm basing it on my personal experience and the asians and blacks that I know. Anyone who knows more than a few people from these groups will confirm it so.

Having lived and worked in areas that have massive amounts of multiculutralism within them I would say that is true to an extent, but that the racism is not aimed solely at whites.

White people have been expected to accommodate all cultures because we are in control and we are far more numerous. In the initial stages, the opposite was expected of minority groups - it was either expected that minority either could not or should not have to behave any differently from their parent culture. This can be observed today, given the provisions amongst various institutions for individuals of minority cultures to observe certain holidays - Halloween for Wiccans in prison for example.

Hence, I would say that Brits are far more willing to accommodate than minority cultures, and that generally minority cultures consider it more important to be inflexible at any conflict of values between themselves and other groups.

 

[robmiller]

Racism in the UK is far worse among ethnics than whites.

Is this not rather an ironic statement?

I mean, it might be true statistically but it got a chuckle out of me. Decrying racism whilst discriminating (in the separating sense as discussed in that thread!) based on race. Heh.