Shamima Begum: Runaway IS bride to find out if she can return to UK

[Dis86]

Is this a way too subtle (and therefore failed) joke or are you really that clueless ?

I think it's just you it failed on.

 

[gingergundog]

she will come on a boat

Its a big blue watery road

 

[the shadow]

Its a big blue watery road

Back in E1 before you know it

 

[gingergundog]

didn't she keep slaves/was a sharia enforcer and wasn't phased by seeing a bin full of heads? not somebody I'd like to live anywhere near.

According to her husband they baked cakes n stuff

 

[the shadow]

According to her husband they baked cakes n stuff

Great british bake off

 

[Hotwired]

If we get a free pass to dump our unwanted in some foreign country, then everyone else gets a free pass too. And clearly that wouldn't work, and isn't what happens 99.9% of the time.

We spent a hundred years shovelling bread stealers into foreign countries that were completely empty of civilised folk.

 

[Thekwango]

Great british bake off

Or in her case Great British **** off please

 

[kidkhaos]

for me there are 2 issues here (other than she was only 15 when she left the UK). 1, removing someone citizenship from the country they were born in is wrong. If a a person was born and raised in a country that country should punish them and not dump them in another country which had no involvement in their development. It isn't fair on the other country to take another countries criminals. 2, it made all non-white citizens second class citizens. If a 2 British citizens commit a crime together and 1 is white/English and the other was born in the UK but is from say Indian descent; there is a precedent in kicking one out of the country while the other goes to prison and be released after x amount of time.

 

[jigger]

OK, so if Russia took a bunch of it's most dangerous criminals, and instead of throwing them at Ukraine's front line with a wooden gun... instead they stripped them of Russian citizenship and somehow managed to dump them in, idk, Australia. We/they would do everything in their power to return them.

So why should any country, Syria or anywhere, accept our dangerous criminals? Yes, she's a threat to national security. So are lots of other dangerous criminals. We don't seem to have much problem keeping them in jail or even releasing them.

There seems to be absolutely no reason to single her out. There are lots of terrible, sick individuals in our prisons. And really, that's probably where she should be.

If we get a free pass to dump our unwanted in some foreign country, then everyone else gets a free pass too. And clearly that wouldn't work, and isn't what happens 99.9% of the time.

We didn’t dump her, she dumped us. We didn’t single her out or radicalise her. She chose to join an enemy committed to our annihilation, a goal she was seemingly equally committed to and happy to take part in, and would likely still be counting in, if it wasn’t for the military defeat.

 

[gingergundog]

All I can see whenever I see a photo of her is Q from Star Trek TNG

 

[SexyGreyFox]

If she was a 15 year old girl groomed into sex acts we'd be all over the perpetrators but because she was groomed to be a bride for a terrorist nobody cares.
It obviously didn't help with some of the stuff she said when interviewed at the time.
I also find it wrong that all she did was go over to be a bride but we have 100s of the actual fighters living in this country who were allowed to come back.
It's all wrong to me, they should all be sent back

 

[Mekrel]

You make you own bed, you lie in it. I have zero sympathy for her.

Let's not forget one of the trio's father attended protests that were organised and attended by convicted terrorists. I would imagine her anti-west views were very much installed in her by those immediately and physically around her.

 

[fez]

If she was a 15 year old girl groomed into sex acts we'd be all over the perpetrators but because she was groomed to be a bride for a terrorist nobody cares.
It obviously didn't help with some of the stuff she said when interviewed at the time.
I also find it wrong that all she did was go over to be a bride but we have 100s of the actual fighters living in this country who were allowed to come back.
It's all wrong to me, they should all be sent back

I imagine that if she snuck back into the country she wouldn't be kicked out. We don't have a strong track record of kicking people out. Have a family, convert to christianity or claim you will be killed if you are kicked out and your a golden.

 

[Thekwango]

We didn’t single her out or radicalise her.

‘We’ may not have radicalised her but she was radicalised in the UK nonetheless, so I think we have at least some responsibility to her and anyone else who has been radicalised on our own shores and genuinely regrets their decisions - within reason of course, obviously if someone has been off severing heads/murdering then let them rot (I don’t believe we have verifiable proof in the public domain that she herself carried out any actual atrocities?)

my belief though is that the government must know more about her activities while she was in ISIS hence their refusal to allow her back - be that for national security or whatever reason can’t divulge that publicly.

 

[jigger]

If she was a 15 year old girl groomed into sex acts we'd be all over the perpetrators but because she was groomed to be a bride for a terrorist nobody cares.
It obviously didn't help with some of the stuff she said when interviewed at the time.
I also find it wrong that all she did was go over to be a bride but we have 100s of the actual fighters living in this country who were allowed to come back.
It's all wrong to me, they should all be sent back

It’s not that we didn’t care, we cared very deeply and wanted that girl back.
The hard truth is, that girl is very likely long gone.

 

[Thekwango]

If she was a 15 year old girl groomed into sex acts we'd be all over the perpetrators but because she was groomed to be a bride for a terrorist nobody cares.
It obviously didn't help with some of the stuff she said when interviewed at the time.
I also find it wrong that all she did was go over to be a bride but we have 100s of the actual fighters living in this country who were allowed to come back.
It's all wrong to me, they should all be sent back

Quite so. On paper it appears that the government can block a baby factory (without all the details I’m assuming that’s all she was to them) but can’t block ISIS combatants returning to the UK. Something’s stupidly wrong there or as I’ve said, likely/hopefully we don’t know all the details in her case.

 

[Thekwango]

It’s not that we didn’t care, we cared very deeply and wanted that girl back.
The hard truth is, that girl is very likely long gone.

That sounds like words to a proper power ballad song from the 80’s

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Quite so. On paper it appears that the government can block a baby factory (without all the details I’m assuming that’s all she was to them) but can’t block ISIS combatants returning to the UK. Something’s stupidly wrong there or as I’ve said, likely/hopefully we don’t know all the details in her case.

Personally I think it's because we know her name and she was all over the News, if she came back they wouldn't be able to protect her.
The 400+ Jihadi fighters who are back in this country nobody knows their names so they aren't at risk of vigilantes.

 

[Martini1991]

The thing that sticks with me is that working in education, we know "prevent" is a thing

Obviously it's failed here, but we acknowledge radicalisation is an issue.

 

[jigger]

That sounds like words to a proper power ballad song from the 80’s

I remember when the reports of the three girls heading to Turkey surfaced and thinking how direct lines of communication between children and terrorist could be established and maintained without loitering munitions ending the call.